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Also see: [[Crossmember]] Also see: [[Crossmember]]
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20928 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20928.jpg] Insulator+= Overview =
- +Insulator> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20928 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20928.jpg] brackets> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20923 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20923.jpg]
= B110 and B120 = = B110 and B120 =
Front: 1970-1973 1200 engine tall [[crossmember]] (B110/B120) Front: 1970-1973 1200 engine tall [[crossmember]] (B110/B120)
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=13676 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=320&uri=http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/13676.jpg]+<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=13676 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/13676.jpg]
<br>Rear: 1974-up 1200 tall/short engine crossmember <br>Rear: 1974-up 1200 tall/short engine crossmember
Not only does the new-style engine have a lower mount, but the mounts are further back 35mm (~1-3/8"). These photos shows how far back: Not only does the new-style engine have a lower mount, but the mounts are further back 35mm (~1-3/8"). These photos shows how far back:
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7976 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=224&uri=http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/7976.jpg] [http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/datsik1200/Photo-0283-1.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=224&uri=http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/datsik1200/Photo-0283-1.jpg]+<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7976 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/7976.jpg]
 + 
 +[http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/datsik1200/Photo-0283-1.jpg photo]
 +<br><img size=240>http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/datsik1200/Photo-0283-1.jpg</img>
Original B110 engine brackets: Original B110 engine brackets:
<br>right side (high-mount) <br>right side (high-mount)
- +Two types of right-side brackets
-<br>Two types of right-side brackets+
<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20923 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20923.jpg] <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20923 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20923.jpg]
* Top: original style * Top: original style
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** Starting with 1985 B120 JDM (G1900) ** Starting with 1985 B120 JDM (G1900)
- +NOTE: If you mix early engine with late crosmember (or vice-versa) you need some modifications. In this case see [[A-series Engine Swaps]].
-NOTE: If you mix early engine with late crosmember (or vice-versa) you need some modications. In this case see [[A-series Engine Swaps]].+
- +
== Early Engine Mounting == == Early Engine Mounting ==
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* 11223-H1000 INSULATOR-engine mounting, front [10 mm studs] $12.70 USD * 11223-H1000 INSULATOR-engine mounting, front [10 mm studs] $12.70 USD
*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20929 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20929.jpg] *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20929 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20929.jpg]
- 
* 11221-H1000 BRACKET-engine mounting, front (R.H.) * 11221-H1000 BRACKET-engine mounting, front (R.H.)
*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=562 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/562.gif] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20943 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20943.jpg] *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=562 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/562.gif] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20943 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20943.jpg]
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1974 and up engines are different, and 1974-up 1200s use a corresponding crossmember 1974 and up engines are different, and 1974-up 1200s use a corresponding crossmember
<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20924 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20924.jpg] <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20924 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20924.jpg]
 +
 +[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23748 1978 Reduction Gear Starter modification]
 +<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/23748.jpg</img>
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20923 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20923.jpg]
* 11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 7510-8503 [8mm studs] * 11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 7510-8503 [8mm studs]
* 11223-G1900 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 8504- [8mm studs] * 11223-G1900 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 8504- [8mm studs]
*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20928 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20928.jpg] *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20928 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20928.jpg]
- 
* High side mount (similar to earlier) * High side mount (similar to earlier)
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* [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2563 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2563.jpg] * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2563 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2563.jpg]
- + Low side mount (new crossmembers)
-* Low side mount (new crossmembers)+ 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 7510-8503
-* 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 7510-8503+ * Same part for 74-up B120 (ute), B210 and B310
-** Same part for 74-up B120 (ute), B210 and B310+ [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2564 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2564.jpg]
-*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2564 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2564.jpg]+ 11222-G1900 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 8504-
-* 11222-G1900 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 8504-+
= B10 Mounts = = B10 Mounts =
As you can see these are different from newer (B110, etc) mounts. As you can see these are different from newer (B110, etc) mounts.
-* 11223-18001 INSULATOR-engine mounting front+ 11223-18001 INSULATOR-engine mounting front
-*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=18305 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/18305.jpg] + [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=18305 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/18305.jpg]
-* 11121-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (R.H.) + 11121-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (R.H.)
-** stepped bracket - looks similar to B110 LH bracket+ * stepped bracket - looks similar to B110 LH bracket
-*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2569 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2569.jpg]+ [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2569 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2569.jpg]
-* 11122-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (L.H.) + 11122-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (L.H.)
-* flat (unstepped) bracket+ * flat (unstepped) bracket
= B210 Mounts = = B210 Mounts =
[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20926 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20926.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20926 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20926.jpg]
-* 11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT V [? mm studs]+ 11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT V [? mm studs]
-* 11223-H7500 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT [except] V [10 mm studs]+ 11223-H7500 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT [except] V [10 mm studs]
-* 11223-H7300 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA 0974- [10 mm studs, A14 engine softer mounts] $30.47 USD+ 11223-H7300 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA 0974-
-** replaces 11223-H7500+ * [10 mm studs, A14 engine softer mounts] $30.47 USD
-** replaces 11223-H6100 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA -0874 [? mm studs, A13 engine harder mounts]+ * replaces 11223-H7500
 + * replaces 11223-H6100 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA -0874
 + [? mm studs, A13 engine harder mounts]
-* 11221-H7301 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH+ 11221-H7301 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH
-** USA -0777+ * USA -0777
-** USA 11221-H5000 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH -0874+ USA 11221-H5000 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH -0874
-*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20517 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20517.jpg] + [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20517 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20517.jpg]
-** USA 11121-H7300 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0974-1074+ USA 11121-H7300 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0974-1074
-* USA 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0877-+ USA 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0877-
-** Bracket notched for Reduction Gear [[Starter]]?+ * Bracket notched for Reduction Gear [[Starter]]?
- +
- +
-* 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH+
-*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20516 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20516.jpg]+
- +
 + 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH
 + [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20516 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20516.jpg]
Right-side mount comparison: Right-side mount comparison:
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*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4689 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4689.jpg] *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4689 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4689.jpg]
* B310 insulators have a larger studs and locating pins, but otherwise are the same dimensions as B110 mounts. * B310 insulators have a larger studs and locating pins, but otherwise are the same dimensions as B110 mounts.
- 
* 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH * 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH
* stronger, more rigid than ever - perhaps to reduce NVH (noise, vibration and harshness) * stronger, more rigid than ever - perhaps to reduce NVH (noise, vibration and harshness)
*: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20930 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20930.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20935 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20935.jpg] *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20930 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20930.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20935 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20935.jpg]
- 
* 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH * 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH
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[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=6215 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/6215.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=6215 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/6215.jpg]
* "These are the heavy duty engine mounts we were talking about. Broken engine mounts are a common thing in rally cars and this fixes the problem. Mounts are polyurethane and come out of a ford cortina and last for years of competition...Part number MT8156N. Kelpro make them...I usually just go to a good parts place and ask for cortina engine mounts and this is what they give me. Maybe there are two types, these are about 70mm in dia." * "These are the heavy duty engine mounts we were talking about. Broken engine mounts are a common thing in rally cars and this fixes the problem. Mounts are polyurethane and come out of a ford cortina and last for years of competition...Part number MT8156N. Kelpro make them...I usually just go to a good parts place and ask for cortina engine mounts and this is what they give me. Maybe there are two types, these are about 70mm in dia."
- 
* http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34366&forum=1 One guy said: "you might want to look at the poly-urathene style mounts. I am using some of a Jag. The part number is at home. but they are heaps wider but no tallers, so they make a good direct replacement, plus they are high temp rated." * http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34366&forum=1 One guy said: "you might want to look at the poly-urathene style mounts. I am using some of a Jag. The part number is at home. but they are heaps wider but no tallers, so they make a good direct replacement, plus they are high temp rated."
[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=904 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/904.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=904 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/904.jpg]
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[[Category:Engine Mechanical]] [[Category:Engine Mechanical]]

Revision as of 09:34, 23 November 2012

Also see: Crossmember

Contents

Overview

Insulator> 20928.jpg brackets> 20923.jpg

B110 and B120

Front: 1970-1973 1200 engine tall crossmember (B110/B120)
13676.jpg
Rear: 1974-up 1200 tall/short engine crossmember

Not only does the new-style engine have a lower mount, but the mounts are further back 35mm (~1-3/8"). These photos shows how far back:
7976.jpg

photo

Original B110 engine brackets:
right side (high-mount)

Two types of right-side brackets
20923.jpg

  • Top: original style
  • Bottom: new style for revised crossmembers
    • Allows fitment of reduction gear starters
    • Starting with 1978 B210 USA (H8500)
    • All B310 (H8500)
    • Starting with 1985 B120 JDM (G1900)

NOTE: If you mix early engine with late crosmember (or vice-versa) you need some modifications. In this case see A-series Engine Swaps.

Early Engine Mounting

1970-1973 Datsun 1200

20925.jpg

  • 11223-H1000 INSULATOR-engine mounting, front [10 mm studs] $12.70 USD
    20929.jpg
  • 11221-H1000 BRACKET-engine mounting, front (R.H.)
    562.gif 20943.jpg
  • 11222-H1000 BRACKET-engine mounting, front (L.H.)
    • Stepped mounting. Lower boss is farther out than upper boss
    14950.jpg 209.JPG 20942.jpg 23563.jpg

Late Engine Mounting

1974 and up engines are different, and 1974-up 1200s use a corresponding crossmember
20924.jpg

1978 Reduction Gear Starter modification

20923.jpg

  • 11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 7510-8503 [8mm studs]
  • 11223-G1900 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT 8504- [8mm studs]
    20928.jpg
  • High side mount (similar to earlier)
  • 11221-H5000 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, RH 7510-8503
  • 11221-G1900 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, RH 8504-
  • 2563.jpg
Low side mount (new crossmembers)
11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 7510-8503
* Same part for 74-up B120 (ute), B210 and B310
  2564.jpg
11222-G1900 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, LH 8504-

B10 Mounts

As you can see these are different from newer (B110, etc) mounts.

11223-18001 INSULATOR-engine mounting front
18305.jpg 
11121-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (R.H.) 
* stepped bracket - looks similar to B110 LH bracket
2569.jpg
11122-18000 BRACKET-engine mounting front (L.H.) 
* flat (unstepped) bracket

B210 Mounts

20926.jpg

11223-H5000 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT V [? mm studs]
11223-H7500 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT [except] V [10 mm studs]
11223-H7300 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA 0974- 
* [10 mm studs, A14 engine softer mounts] $30.47 USD
* replaces 11223-H7500
* replaces 11223-H6100 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT USA -0874 
  [? mm studs, A13 engine harder mounts]


11221-H7301 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH
* USA -0777
USA 11221-H5000 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH -0874
20517.jpg 
USA 11121-H7300 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0974-1074
USA 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH 0877-
* Bracket notched for Reduction Gear Starter?
11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH
20516.jpg

Right-side mount comparison:
20945.jpg
Middle pair is B110 early, right is B210? (thin), left is B310? (thick)

B210 crossmember change for 1978 North America
23748.jpg
Crossmember horns are farther apart, requiring new style RH bracket
B310 uses this new spacing

B310 Mounts

The B310 insulators have a metal wrap in case the rubber breaks, the engine won't move too far.

20927.jpg


  • 11223-H9100 INSULATOR-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT RH [10 mm studs] $34.38 USD
  • 11224-H9100 INSULATOR ASSY-ENGINE MOUNTING FRONT LH $44.32 USD
    4689.jpg
  • B310 insulators have a larger studs and locating pins, but otherwise are the same dimensions as B110 mounts.
  • 11221-H8500 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT RH
  • stronger, more rigid than ever - perhaps to reduce NVH (noise, vibration and harshness)
    20930.jpg 20935.jpg
  • 11222-H5001 BRACKET-ENGINE MOUNTING, FRONT LH
    • Same as B210 and mid-model B120
    16679.jpg 20936.jpg

Left and Right together
20934.jpg

Upgraded Insulators

6215.jpg

  • "These are the heavy duty engine mounts we were talking about. Broken engine mounts are a common thing in rally cars and this fixes the problem. Mounts are polyurethane and come out of a ford cortina and last for years of competition...Part number MT8156N. Kelpro make them...I usually just go to a good parts place and ask for cortina engine mounts and this is what they give me. Maybe there are two types, these are about 70mm in dia."

904.jpg

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