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[Datsun 1200 encyclopedia]

R160 Swap

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-The Fuji R160 differential was used in the Datsun 510 and most Subarus. It is an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) setup, and strong enough to handle output from 2 liter engines, even turbocharged ones. Early Subarus and 510 R160s are [http://kmhafer.datsun510.com/Subaru.htm#What%20kind%20of%20Differential%20is%20in%20my%20510 bolt-in replacements for each other]. The ready availability of this system in wrecking yards (Subaru) and the Datsun-ness of it all makes it an intriguing swap possibility. The 510 rear assembly track width only 1-inch wider than a Datsun 1200 rear axle assembly, so perhaps it is possible without narrowing.+The Hitachi R160 differential was used in the Datsun 510 and most Subarus. It is an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) setup, and strong enough to handle output from 2 liter engines, even turbocharged ones. Early Subarus and 510 R160s are [http://kmhafer.datsun510.com/Subaru.htm#What%20kind%20of%20Differential%20is%20in%20my%20510 bolt-in replacements for each other]. The ready availability of this system in wrecking yards (Subaru) and the Datsun-ness of it all makes it an intriguing swap possibility. The 510 rear assembly track width only 1-inch wider than a Datsun 1200 rear axle assembly, so perhaps it is possible without narrowing.
-Fuji Heavy Industries, owner of Subaru, makes these differentials. Nissan and Fuji have been partners over the years, even to the extent that many Datsun 1200s were made in the Fuji factory (per [[Cusumano]]'s book).+Hitachi makes these differentials. While Hitachi is a Nissan-associated company, Nissan and Fuji have been partners over the years, and share some of the same parts. Even to the extent that many Datsun 1200s were made in the Fuji factory (per [[Cusumano]]'s book).

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The Hitachi R160 differential was used in the Datsun 510 and most Subarus. It is an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) setup, and strong enough to handle output from 2 liter engines, even turbocharged ones. Early Subarus and 510 R160s are bolt-in replacements for each other. The ready availability of this system in wrecking yards (Subaru) and the Datsun-ness of it all makes it an intriguing swap possibility. The 510 rear assembly track width only 1-inch wider than a Datsun 1200 rear axle assembly, so perhaps it is possible without narrowing.


Hitachi makes these differentials. While Hitachi is a Nissan-associated company, Nissan and Fuji have been partners over the years, and share some of the same parts. Even to the extent that many Datsun 1200s were made in the Fuji factory (per Cusumano's book).


Measurements

Track Width:

  • Datsun 1200 (B110): 49.0 inches (1245 mm)
  • Datsun 1600 (P510): 50 in
  • Datsun 240Z (S30): 53 in (1346 mm)
NOTE: track width is measured from the 
center of the tires 
 
It can only equal an axle "hub-to-hub" 
measurement if the wheels have zero Offset.

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Drum-to-drum Width:

  • Datsun B10: 48.8 in (1240 mm) H145 diff
  • Datsun 320 50 in H190 diff
  • Datsun B110: 51.36 in (1305 mm) or 1185 mm axle flange-to-flange (less brakes)
  • Datsun P510: R160 diff
  • Datsun V510: 53 in
  • Datsun 521 53 in
  • Datsun S30:


Can the 2-inch wider 510 difference be mitigated by using highly-positive offset (FWD-style) wheels on the back? 5" wheels with 1" (25mm) offset fit fine under the stock fenders. 5" wheels with 2.5" offset can be had, so theoretically you might be able to fit -- with the right wheels -- a 2" wider axle under the stock 1200 fenders.

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  • rear track: 49.0 inches (1245 mm)
  • wheel offset: 30 mm positive offset (1.18 inches) - mounting face is 30mm outboard of the wheel's center line
  • tire width: about 4 inches
  • Thus, rear overall width (outside of nominal tread width) is about 53 inches (49" track + 4" tire width).

Actual measurement on my B110 with stock wheels and tire size is 55" (~1397 mm). The difference from the calculated amount above is that the tire sidewalls stick out further than the tire tread.


Drum-to-drum measurement (outside of drum) of the stock B110 H145 assembly can be calculated at 51.36" (49" track + 2 x 1.18" offset) or 1305 mm

Ratios

Datsun 510 (IRS models, i.e. Sedan and Coupe)

  • 3.70 - 1968 P510 (1600)
  • 3.90 - 1969-1973 P510
  • 4.38 - L13, L14 models


Subaru BRAT, Loyale, GL, RX, XT, etc (most pre-1990 models)

  • 3.70
  • 3.70 with clutch-pack LSD (non-USA models)
  • 3.90
  • 4.11
  • 4.44


Starting in 2000 a wholesale switch was made to Viscous-Coupling LSDs. Unforuntately the newer units have different stub axles so they are no longer a straight bolt-in for the Datsun 510 diff.


LSD availability: See Hafer's article Installing Subaru Limited-Slip Differentials

  • Clutch-pack LSD is a performance advantage over Viscous-Coupling LSDs
  • Viscous-Coupling LSDs are good for all-wheel drive, but not as good as clutch-pack for RWD applications.