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Datsun 1000 option steering wheel

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Posted: 2008/7/15 6:36  Updated: 2008/7/15 6:36
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 Re: B10 sports handle
Is this one the same


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Posted: 2008/7/15 9:29  Updated: 2008/7/15 9:29
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 Re: B10 sports handle
Not even close.

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Posted: 2008/6/8 14:57  Updated: 2008/6/8 14:57
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 Re: B10 sports handle
Sidedraught

The wood rim wheel seems to have been standard fitment to KB10GL models. [to be confirmed] & in these, it came with the hard plastic pads in the spokes.
Your brochure pic shows a KB10GL model, note the dinky little console which was unique to the GL.

It was available in Japan as a "Coupe Option" for Coupes that were otherwise equipped with the standard steering wheel & this would be the DeLuxe Coupe which was the version sold in Australia. If there was ever a 'standard' Coupe, then it would be an option for these too.

As an option it was available in Japan in two forms, ... as a DeLuxe wheel with pads in the spokes, or as a 'Sport' version without them. Your photo simply depicts the 'Sport' spec wheel, so it's not really 'missing' the pads.
The Aussie parts book lists only one part number & it's for the DeLuxe version.

In the 1200, however, the GL model had it's own 'standard' wheel & the wood rim wheel was strictly an option for all coupes except GX.

Of course, if you had ordered a new Sedan/Van/Ute, the dealer could get one in as a spare part & fit it to your new car before delivery, but the 1000 & 1200 coupes could get it on the assembly line as a 'factory option'.


This is my latest acquisition. It's a 1200 Coupe option wheel & it's the DeLuxe version with the pads in the spokes. It's the one that clyons8 mentioned.
I didn't get the 1200 horn button with it, so I fitted one of my KB10 buttons & I like it better than the bulbous 1200 item.

These are only an inch or so smaller than the standard wheel, but they allow easy control & a good view of the instruments, neither of which the small aftermarket wheels offer.










I had bought a KB10 wheel new back in 1980 & that's it on the left, while the one on the right is another one that I got from Japan for spares.
Thanks Matt for your help yet again.


















The one on the right is a 1200 wheel that I found on a wrecked 1200 sedan in a Queanbeyan wrecking yard for $10. It looks to be the 'Sport" version without pads. This one had no horn button either.
I gave it to Benny who subsequently restored it & it now sees daily duty on his 1200 GX.
The one on the left is the original one that I bought new in 1980.
















The main difference between the 1200 & 1000 wheels is the wheel hub or 'boss'.
The 1200 one is on the left.





I have now owned four of these wheels, three of which were sourced within Australia & three of which I still own, so they do exist & can be found.
One needs only to keep looking, be patient, have cash ready, & act quickly when the opportunity arises.
Having good friends that wake you with a phone call at some ungodly hour [like 9am] to tell you when one comes up for sale is always a huge asset. Thanks Ben.

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Posted: 2008/6/9 2:24  Updated: 2008/6/9 2:24
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Now that is a fantastic brochure of information. Much appreciated.

Chris


I really wish I took Japanese.
Learning French got me bloody nowhere, unless I suddenly developed an interest in Peugeots.

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Posted: 2008/6/9 5:28  Updated: 2008/6/9 5:28
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 Re: B10 sports handle
ive seen one of these wheels and the
centre cap was a "d" not an "s" it didn't
have the plastic inserts and was shown as
a "b10" option-is this right and is it worth grabbing?-ta

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Posted: 2008/6/9 5:38  Updated: 2008/6/9 5:38
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HELL YEAH man go for it.

There is one more type that suits the description of the B10 sports option although it has DATSUN written across the centre cap. So there is an 'S' a 'D' and one that says Datsun.

Dodgeman can you confirm this?

Chris

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Posted: 2008/6/9 5:44  Updated: 2008/6/9 5:44
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sorry i was mistaken, on a recheck it says "datsun"
what sort of value is on
this kind of wheel?
what the story with the datsun horn
instead of the s horn anyway?

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Posted: 2008/6/9 5:55  Updated: 2008/6/9 5:55
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 Re: B10 sports handle
Ahah, well are we looking at the same one?

From what I recall Dodgeman paid $250 for the last one (1200 one) that went up for sale. And I think thats a pretty reasonable price, especially if it were a 1000 one.

EDIT: These wheels would easily pull $350 with the right advertising and an extended auction time + a good polish, varnish re-coat, and some fresh colours on the centre cap.

The B10 wheel that had the big "D" on it was the 67 (DeLuxe?) B10 2 Spoke wheel. Like the one old mate was asking about in classifieds (and then sold on eBay).

Wheel

This one was broken but I think you could have salvaged it with a donor stocko wheel. But then again, you don't go glueing steering wheels together if you are going to use them!

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Posted: 2008/6/9 6:12  Updated: 2008/6/9 6:12
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thanks dude-good info i'm thinking about
buying this one with the "datsun horn"
but it has a hefty freight bill will cost $500
all up? steering wheel or option 2 g/box hmmm
s/w or o2 s/w or o/2??????

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Posted: 2008/6/9 6:16  Updated: 2008/6/9 6:16
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 Re: B10 sports handle
clyons8
There were only four different steering wheels used in B10 models.
1. Stock 1967 type.
2. Stock 1968/'69/'70 type
Both of these had either 'S' or 'D' symbols depending on the market they were sold into
3. JDM KB10GL/Coupe Option- 'Deluxe' type [with pads]
4. JDM Coupe Option 'Sport' type [without pads.]
Both of these used the 'S' symbol in the horn button.

We got the two stock wheels of course & also the DeLuxe type Coupe Option wheel, but remove the pads & it becomes a 'Sport' one.

As far as I can tell, the 1200 coupe option wheel came with a 'D' symbol in all markets. [but no guarantee on that]

This is the page from the B10 parts book showing the 'Coupe Option' wheel. Only the "S" symbol was ever used in the horn button.






















This is the page from the 1200 parts book. A little hard to see, but the 'D' symbol was used in these.


































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Poster: conehead Date: 2008/6/9 15:28:07

ive seen one of these wheels and the
centre cap was a "d" not an "s" it didn't
have the plastic inserts and was shown as
a "b10" option-is this right and is it worth grabbing?-ta
Conehead
There were a number of similar wheels used on the larger Datsun models & these use a larger steering column shaft, so will not fit the B10,B110 & B210 models, however they are worth grabing if they are in good condition, but, depending on model, may not [yet] be worth a lot of money, so before you spend anything on a steering wheel, make sure that you know EXACTLY what it is from.

You also mention an "Option 2 gearbox" The only Option 2 gearbox ever offered for our small Datsuns was the race-only four speed 56 series gearbox for the B110.
Both the Option 1 & Option 2 four speeds were superceded by the GX5 optional box [F5W56A] & the compertiton Option 1 five speed box [F5C56A] in 1973.

The option 2 four speed had a first gear ratio almost identical to the stock 4 speeds second gear. Is it for a racecar, or a streeter?

When it comes to making a decision between the wheel or the gearbox, just remember that they sold a lot more steering wheels than factory 56 series Option 2 ultra close ratio competition 4 speed gearboxes.
You just need to figure what you need most.

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Posted: 2008/6/9 6:59  Updated: 2008/6/9 6:59
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is a five speed 56a box. is't the close
ratio one referred to as an option 2?
interesting about the wheel, is it the
real thing with datsun on the horn!!

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Posted: 2008/6/9 7:35  Updated: 2008/6/9 7:35
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There is no such thing as a five speed 56A series Option 2 gearbox.
There were two 56A 5 speeds. The wide ratio one [F5W56A] which was the factory option in late B110 GX-5 & in B210GX models [Japan only] & the close ratio competion version [F5C56A] which was available as a seperate purchase only. This was the 'Option 1' five speed.
I now have one of the stock ones & two of the Option 1 gearboxes.

Of course it's the real thing with 'Datsun' on the horn button, but just not a B10 or B110 Coupe Option 'real thing'. It will be off something else or it has a foreign horn button on it.

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Posted: 2008/6/9 8:22  Updated: 2008/6/9 8:22
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i think that wiki needs an update then
as it reffers to the 56a 5spd boxes as
option 1 and option 2 at one point
when talking about gear ratios
32010-H7251 stock GX-5 5-SPD TRANSMISSION
32010-H7251P OPT #1 W/R 5-SPD TRANSMISSION
32010-H7220N OPT #2 C/R 5-SPD TRANSMISSION

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The factory competition tune up maual lists only the stock 5 speed & the Opt 1 five speed. The B110 & B210 competition parts books also list only the Option1 five speed.

All three also list the gearbox parts & the ratios, but only for the Option 1.

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 Re: B10 sports handle
Bloody book mechanics.

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The alternative is? Entrenched ignorance?

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very true, it would be nice if nissan could
cast "option 1" or "standard" in big bold
print but!

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LOL, you know exactly what this is, don't you Andy.
The horn button is not an original.

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I want one. Even if it is missing the boss and button I don't care. I'll make my own.

Any possible sellers. C'mon Dodgeman, sell me your parts wheel.

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Andy that last wheel you posted has to be the nicest looking number I have almost ever seen.

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Poster: conehead Date: 2008/6/9 18:22:05

i think that wiki needs an update then as it reffers to the 56a 5spd boxes as option 1 and option 2 at one point when talking about gear ratios
32010-H7251 stock GX-5 5-SPD TRANSMISSION
32010-H7251P OPT #1 W/R 5-SPD TRANSMISSION
32010-H7220N OPT #2 C/R 5-SPD TRANSMISSION
I finally dug out my 1200 Competition Tune up manual, my 1200 Sports Option Parts book & my B210 Competition Parts book & all say the same thing.

32010- H7220 Transmission Assembly [F5C56A] Option 1

The Sunny 1200 comp parts book also lists a second No.
32010- H7251 Transmission assembly [F5C56A] Option 1
The description is is Japanese, so I can't read it, but surmise that since all the internal parts are the same for both, then some minor external thing has changed.

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Posted: 2008/7/15 6:19  Updated: 2008/7/15 6:19
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 Re: Option 2 5-speed
Yes, Nissan may have been mistaken when they said
there was an Option 2 5-speed:

Quote:

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am i missing something?? why do you "know this one"?

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Quote:
Poster: conehead Date: 2008/6/9 22:03:49
am i missing something?? why do you "know this one"?
Andy is a dedicated KB10 man & there would be a very good reason why he would bother to find, capture & post that picture.

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Ahh you old school lads know where to set it right, so the cap isn't original?

Once again thankyou Dodgeman for the extra information, I'm writing and filing as you type.

And Andy YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MARK! thats the one! the Kina (PNG currency) doesn't buy anything at the moment so I'm out of the picture. I'd hate to see the auction finish with no buyer. EDIT no.3 Okay the Kina is buying okay, I've just submerged myself in Datsun bills.

EDIT no 2: About $283 AU for that wheel so it's a pretty good buy!!!!

Dodgeman/Sidedraught I think I've found a H150 LSD for sale as well. Not sure on ratio. EDIT no1 will follow up on some info if it's interesting.

Had a few too many (this post has been edited about ten times), will pursue this thread at a time more applicable to a properly functioning mind.

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these are nice wheels are the 1200 ones the same? i think 260z,s have a similar looking one.

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I would love to get one of these wheels if anyone is willing to part with one.

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the 240Z had a fake woodgrain one (so it wouldnt splinter in a crash) and the 260Z had a black vynil one. Both had a big horn button in the middle tho. And no they dont bolt up, ive tryed it when i had my z.

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Here it is with hub, but missing plastic inserts, and in its natural habitat, the KB10.


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I think dman scored the last one that went up for sale. I'm a little unsure whether it was for the KB10 or not, can't remember.

I'm keen as mustard for one of these too.