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L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel

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levey
Posted: 2010/10/26 8:54  Updated: 2010/10/26 8:54
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
Thanks for that, I see your point too many variables.
The clutch is working well for me now but on the track (if I ever get there)might be another thing.
I'm pulling the gearbox and diff off soon so I'll take some picks.
Cheers, levey.

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2017/2/17 23:13  Updated: 2017/2/18 7:14
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
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exa turbo clutch on a lightened A15 flywheel, how much better would the L series clutch be?
Both are 200mm diameter
* EXA turbo clutch (1982-1986 N12.E15ET)
* L16/L18 clutch

The pulsar turbo disc mates with 56/60 A-series gearboxes. So if you use an L16 clutch plate, use the pulsar turbo clutch disc

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levey
Posted: 2010/10/25 13:44  Updated: 2010/10/25 13:44
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
I'm running an exa turbo clutch on a lightened A15 flywheel, how much better would the L series clutch be?

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jmac
Posted: 2010/10/26 4:41  Updated: 2010/10/26 4:41
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
It would honestly be close to impossible to answer (for me at least) without knowing the diameter of the clutch disc you have, and the pressure plate clamping force, and the friction co-efficient of the clutch plate lining.

Unfortunately there's some variance in that friction lining and pressure plate force from clutch manufacturer to clutch manufacturer, so you can find a slightly smaller clutch from one place better than a larger one from another, but within any specific brand, wherever possible, and within the limits of the realistic options we are discussing here - well you'd tend to go with the biggest diameter you can fit, and decent pressure plate clamping force, and then you can run a friction lining that lasts and doesn't chew up the flywheel or anything.

Or if it's for a racer (but not a mega buck small diameter multiple place clutch setup), again you'd go with the bigger diameter (biggest you can fit) and decent clamping force (higher than std, since you don't have to sit in traffic for half an hour on and off a heavy clutch) and possibly even non standard lining.

Having said all that - often for 'performance' cars they came out with an uprated pressure plate or clutch plate, and aftermarket manufacturers followed that pattern. For example - the old holden red and blue 6 cylinder motors. The red had a slightly smaller clutch, the blue a bigger diameter (fit on basically the same diameter flywheel, but the blue pressure plate won't clear the inside of the red motor bellhousing). So you'd think with the 1/2 or so extra diameter clutch plate, the blue was 'the best'. Well, in actual fact, the red motor 6cyl powered holden 1 tonner (light commercial tray packed pickup truck sort of thing, for the overseas readers) came out with a much heavier pressure plate clamping force, so was actually the pick of the standard clutches for performance use. Naturally if you went to something more custom made, you could run the blue motor diameter and an uprated pressure plate and get something even better, but out of the off the shelf stuff, the one tonner clutch was it.

So with that in mind, based on what the exa turbo was, it likely had a better clutch than the a series, and probably on par with the larger L series. This is where it gets tricky - the plate in question here is not the biggest L series plate - it's the 'middle' one which just fits on the a series flywheel.

It'd probably be difficult to pick without actually trying both (any chance of a pic of your clutch?)

About the best short version of all this would be - 'it depends' but furthermore 'if what you have now is working, it's unlikely there'd be a big enough difference to justify trying an L series clutch at all. If it aint broke, don't fix it sort of thing.

At this stage, it's still early days (for my attempt on this conversion at least, obviously others have been there done that) I'm not 100% certain the 180mm L series clutch is a goer. It's possible that by the time the bellhousings are grafted onto each other, that there is insufficient clearance for the L series pressure plate to fit in there. I'm hoping it won't be the case, but I won't know for a little while.

I'm also yet to contend with a few other issues - namely shifter position (I actually want it a lot further rearward, since I've altered the drivers seat just to get enough legroom etc. ) which might require rearward relocation of the handbrake lever. And then there is the tunnel mods if needed.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2010/10/21 12:44  Updated: 2010/10/21 12:44
 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
i could have helped you aet more ice cream sticks on sunday ;)

it is a nice clutch, wonder what the shock load might be like when it clamps though.

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Cable_Tie
Posted: 2010/10/20 10:52  Updated: 2010/10/20 10:52
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
A series = 7.25" clutch / Pressure plate
L series = 8" Clutch / Pressure plate.

Get the L series pressure plate mounted to the flywheel, re:doweled and balanced.

I *think* a rodeo/isuzu clutch plate is 8" and the right spline.

Then you smash a diff. . .

Upgrade diff. . .

And then you start smashing gearboxes; I found. . .

Is it easier to replace a 145 SR 12 than a diff, axle or gearbox?

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2010/10/21 2:30  Updated: 2010/10/21 2:30
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
Is the photo of a medium size L-series disc?

L-series small: 180 cm
L-series medium: 200 cm
L-series large: 225 cm

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jmac
Posted: 2010/10/21 14:45  Updated: 2010/10/21 14:45
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
200mm

This holds a bit of promise, I think, in that the pressure plate will fit on the a15 flywheel, but at the same time is bigger than the 180mm a15 clutch disc.

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Posted: 2010/10/24 11:14  Updated: 2010/10/24 11:14
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
Jmac is into Magnums for sure :)

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b310gx
Posted: 2010/10/20 9:48  Updated: 2010/10/20 9:48
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 Re: L series clutch plate on a15 flywheel
Them ice cream sticks, are they high tensile, then.