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A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
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It will fit now

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/7/13 13:21  Updated: 2004/7/13 13:21
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
The counterweights are all nice & smoooth now.

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feral
Posted: 2004/7/13 14:18  Updated: 2004/7/13 14:18
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
And lighter as well

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pro-240c
Posted: 2004/7/14 1:57  Updated: 2004/7/14 1:57
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
Quote:
The counterweights are all nice & smoooth now.


i was gonna say, as i looked at it, that you'd want to polish them up a fair bit.

what's the benefit of using an A14 crank in an A12 block? what rods and pistons do you have to use?

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D
Posted: 2004/7/14 6:41  Updated: 2004/7/14 6:41
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
For one it keeps the original mounting position of the earlier engine matching the a10, 2. bigger capacity keeping withing the need to get an engineers certificate cause it says a12 on the block.
lightweight crank with a14 dimensions.
You should market these cranks for us 1K lovers

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/7/14 14:11  Updated: 2004/7/14 14:11
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
Pro-240c
There was a thread on this a little while ago, but i will summarise.

The benefits.
A. It allows me to install an engine of up to 1434cc without any structural mods to engine mounts at all as the 1200 block is a pure 'drop in'.
B. By using the 1200 block [with an A12 engine No. prefix] it reduces engineering approval dramas.

The parts.
Desireably, you would use rods from an A12A, or the short stroke version of the A13, but these are hard to get. The alternative is to have your A12 rods bored in the small end to take the larger wrist pin from the 76mm[+] pistons.
You will need pistons from the A15 engine as these are shorter in the crown height & should rise to be flush with the deck.
EDIT the pistons will need a small amount machined from the crown. Possibly .5mm.

The finished product will look like a "factory" built car [no home grown engineering] while boasting a sneaky 23% boost in capacity [from 1171cc to 1434cc] & it's ALL done with standard Datsun parts. The crank & pistons are the only modified parts, & surely a simple lathe job hardly counts as "modified"

I will post pics of my progress as i go along.

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Posted: 2004/9/16 7:35  Updated: 2004/9/16 7:35
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
Dodge this reminds me of the japanese quad mikuni setup a14 with the same 77 x 77 which was used to compare the weber vs mikuni and the engine made big numbers!!
on the matsuoka website or pitroad cant remember...

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pro-240c
Posted: 2004/9/16 7:57  Updated: 2004/9/16 7:57
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
can you not just notch the block or does the crank hit the cylinder wall as well...?

it very interesting - might be a go for the 1000 wagon if we decide to compete in a reg'd event!

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/10/24 2:16  Updated: 2004/10/24 2:16
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
Sorry Pro-240C, i had missed your question when you posted it, but i will reply now.

The stock A14 crank does not touch the 1200 block anywhere, the machining is done to ensure that it doesn't touch the bottom of the pistons when they are at BDC. You really need to ensure that the counterweights clear as the piston is at the top when the crankpin swings by. The simplest method of cleaning up the small amount of material that needs to be removed is to chuck it in a lathe. This process also removes a small amount from the web near the crankpin, which does no harm, but if you could find a way to clean up the counterweight without touching the crankpin side, then that would work as well.

I like the sneaky aspect of this engine as most would see it as just another dinky 1200 engine with twin SU's. Little do they know what lurks within,...Ahh-hahahahahaha

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LittleFireyOne
Posted: 2007/3/23 21:54  Updated: 2007/3/23 21:54
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
Sorry for lurking through old posts, it's a nice Saturday thing to do.

When you say 1200 block, would that process be the same on the 74' and later A12 block?

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2007/3/24 0:11  Updated: 2007/3/24 0:11
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 Re: A14 crank for A12 block. The counterweights
All A12, including 1200, plus A12A & short stroke A13. Any of the engines that originally came with the 70mm stroke crank.

Remember that piston selection & even rod selection are a part of this whole equasion.