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Japanese Sunny Excellent brochure. Thanks to I. Vlaar (http://home.wanadoo.nl/i.y.vlaar/index.htm) for the scans.

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pepper
Posted: 2007/1/1 6:33  Updated: 2007/1/1 6:33
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
this pic popped up in the top corner, whats the deal with the bonnet on this fellow, is it just a bad pic of a gx bonnet or was the excellent bonnet for the 1200body shape totally different again??
how come we never see any pics of these

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2007/1/1 6:44  Updated: 2007/1/1 6:44
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
It's a Sunny Excellent bonnet, not a GX one.
The Sunny Ecxcellent was a different car that was based on the basic B110 & later, the B210 bodyshell. The engine bay seems to be the same, but the guards & bonnet were longer in the front to make the car feel bigger.

The Excellent range was powered by an L series engine, initially an L14, but late in the PB210 [120Y body] model run, the L16 was offered in some models, & it was also offered in a twin carb GX version.

The trim level was much higher than we are accustomed to seeing in the 1200 & 120Y models too.

Why don't we see them more often? They seem to have been a 'Japan only' model & they were never common, even when new.

The South African 140Z & 160Z seem to be S.A. built versions of the PB210, but with a different model name & a different, sportier image. They only made a few of these too.

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PIGDOG
Posted: 2007/1/1 6:45  Updated: 2007/1/1 6:45
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
the whole front of the car is actually longer to give plenty of L series room... thats why it looks different

EDIT: beat me to it

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2007/1/1 6:55  Updated: 2007/1/1 6:55
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
What makes you think the front of the car has to be longer to fit a L-series engine? Many of our club members have done so without lengthening the front end. All we know for sure is that the front of the car (in front of the radiator) is longer.


See all the details about these cars here: PB110 Datsun Sunny 1400

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PIGDOG
Posted: 2007/1/1 7:43  Updated: 2007/1/1 7:43
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
well yes ive done it to mine, but it has far from factory amounts of room around the engine
i cant even fit the standard fan on the front of the engine and only have about 10-20mm of room behind the engine

so i think it is pretty much right to say that then engine bay may have been made slightly larger to get a factory look for the engine fitment

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matbighat
Posted: 2007/1/1 7:52  Updated: 2007/1/1 7:52
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
dd's research shows that the wheelbase is the same on the pb210 and b210

i'm not sure if that's also the case with the pb110 and b110

anyways, the human eye wants to believe the car has a longer wheelbase, when it's just the stretched out guards and bonnet that give that impression

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2007/1/1 8:21  Updated: 2007/1/1 8:21
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
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Poster: PIGDOG Date: 2007/1/1 17:43:51
I can't even fit the standard fan on the front of the engine and only have about 10-20mm of room behind the engine

so i think it is pretty much right to say that then engine bay may have been made slightly larger to get a factory look for the engine fitment
The 1200 radiator is spaced back towards the engine by the design of the radiator support panel to get it closer to the engine fan. I'm guessing that the PB110 Excellent's RSP positions the radiator further forward, up against the flat part of the panel, thereby giving more engine bay room without actually having a larger engine bay.

It's obvious that the L series engine fits in a B110 chassis, so it doesn't need more room to get it in the hole it just needs a little more room at the front, & since the RSP is unique to this body anyway, it would be easy enough to simply design-in some radiator re-positioning.

Anyway, that's my theory.

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LittleFireyOne
Posted: 2007/1/1 8:59  Updated: 2007/1/1 8:59
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
I'd agree with that

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2007/1/2 0:20  Updated: 2007/1/2 0:20
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
Quote:
ive done it to mine, but it has far from factory amounts of room around the engine
Thanks for that.

This is the big question. The PB110 wheelbase is 40mm longer than the regular B110. Question: Is that space used in the engine compartment, passenger compartment or a little of both?

None of us really know. We need to find somebody with a PB110 and have them measure it. In any case, It's less than a 2-inch difference.

The traditional place to use a larger wheelbase is in making a larger rear-passenger leg-room, with the Supra being one of the most obvious exceptions. So an automaker might do it either way.

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jaimecidpedro
Posted: 2007/1/2 5:07  Updated: 2007/1/2 5:07
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 Re: Sunny Excellent
A factory 1200 L engined must be a treat!!!