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Early Prototype Rotary 1200
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| At a Tokyo car show, during the 'rotor madness' years, a Nissan prototype 1200 sporting a 10A Hiroshima Screamer |
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| dattodude |
Posted: 2005/12/30 14:01 Updated: 2005/12/30 14:01 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 1998/12/6 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 5806 |
 Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Wonder if it was stamped Nissan?
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| MadTimo |
Posted: 2005/12/30 14:32 Updated: 2005/12/30 14:32 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2003/1/7 From: Posts: 828 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I know its not Datsun, but here's another interesting rotary. This is the Parkway Rotary26. Built from 1974 - 1976. It had a 13B engine making 135ps and a 4 speed manual transmission. I'd love to see one with a bridgey in it!!   |
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| stirlingmac |
Posted: 2005/12/31 3:20 Updated: 2005/12/31 3:20 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2000/5/6 From: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 962 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 From what I've read over the years Nissan were keen to go with the rotary but the fuel crisis hit and fuel economy was what was selling cars. The S10 Silvias were fitted with rotaries but they didn't catch on and were relaunched as S110s with L series motors initially. There were 1200 Sedans and coupes factory fitted with Nissan branded rotarys but never offered for sale.The experiments continued using the B210 chassis as well. I ran a 10A PP in my 1200 coupe over 15 years ago and it screamed but a strong torquey A12 would out sprint it off the line every time..I have have searched for years trying to find a Nissan branded Rotary and have yet to find one in private hands...it seems that the factory retained all of them including any that were offered in the Silvias. But I'll keep looking.  |
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| dattodude |
Posted: 2005/12/31 14:17 Updated: 2005/12/31 14:17 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 1998/12/6 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 5806 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I was reading a 1972-74 'modern motor' or 'wheels' magazine this evening at my parents place, and read that the RX3 Stationwagon was 'car of the year' in the USA. First time a station wagon had ever won the award (whatever award it was).
Interesting...Aussies never got an official RX3 stationwagons, only the coupes and sedans.
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| racingboricua |
Posted: 2005/12/30 8:36 Updated: 2005/12/30 8:36 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2005/12/30 From: east bay, cali. Posts: 16 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Thats right they the rotary engine in there in there 4 reason and I enjoy it every time I get in my car it might spend more gas then other engines but its worth it  |
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| MadTimo |
Posted: 2005/12/30 10:06 Updated: 2005/12/30 10:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2003/1/7 From: Posts: 828 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200  Always gotta be one with the "no-rotor" attitude. I like to think of us as beyond that HSV-driver way of thinking. They factory fitted A's so A's are cool! they factory fitted rotor's so rotors are cool too!!  I think these would've taken off if they stuck around and waited for rotors to be refined into something worth producing. The 10A in the first rotors was a big flop. Problem is first impressions last (hell, its lasted 37 years in some people's minds). But I'm sure everyone here fell over a few times when they were learning to walk! But we didn't give up after one failed attempt, did we? I, for one, am glad that at least one manufacturer gave the rotor another chance and ended up with easily one of the world's best engines. I just wish it was Datsun |
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Posted: 2005/12/30 12:42 Updated: 2005/12/30 12:42 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2002/6/7 From: Newscastle, Australia Posts: 2479 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I wouldnt think of a rotor fit to a 1200 factory...it would have been a PR stunt for a motorshow to see how much arousal from potential buyers it may have generated. Obviously it generated none....
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| stirlingmac |
Posted: 2004/10/13 1:31 Updated: 2004/10/13 1:31 |
Home away from home Joined: 2000/5/6 From: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 962 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 What a brilliant find...it looks like Datsun used the longer Excellent for the Rotary model. Would it be possible for you to get a bigger scan and email me a copy. Reports on these things are rare as.  |
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| pro-240c |
Posted: 2004/10/13 1:40 Updated: 2004/10/13 1:40 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/3/3 From: WA Posts: 957 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Quote: What a brilliant find...it looks like Datsun used the longer Excellent for the Rotary model. is it longer? sure it's not those ripper pinstripes?  |
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Posted: 2004/10/13 3:37 Updated: 2004/10/13 3:37 |
Moderator   Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Yes, brilliant! How'd you know there would be intense interest in this topic? I've spent hours searching and have found no real details -- just a few usual references in contemporary magazines and books that Nissan took a license from NSU (as did virtually every automaker) -- except for what stirling mac posted earlier:  http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=383 |
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| 2332owner |
Posted: 2004/10/13 5:12 Updated: 2004/10/13 5:12 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2003/5/5 From: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 1292 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Yes this is an Excellent body. The hood, fenders, and I'm pretty sure engine bay/shock tower walls are all longer to accept the L-14 which would normally be fitted. You can also see the different bumper, grill, roll pan, and marker lights on the fenders. Great find! Where did it come from?
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Posted: 2004/10/13 5:26 Updated: 2004/10/13 5:26 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 L14 will fit easily in a regular B110 engine compartment. The parts that are longer on the PB110 are only those that go from the the radiator core support forward (hood, grille, fenders, etc). The rest of the car is the same width and length. For more details, see the PB110 Excellent article. |
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Posted: 2004/10/13 13:00 Updated: 2004/10/13 13:00 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2003/5/5 From: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 1292 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 The engine wall/shock towers are most likely different too as they have different part numbers:
Excellent
left: 64101-H2500 right: 64100-H2500
A series
left: 64120-H1000 right: 64100-H1000 or
64100-H3100 after 9/71
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Posted: 2004/10/13 12:34 Updated: 2004/10/13 12:34 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2002/8/22 From: Adelaide, SA Posts: 1991 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Hey guys, I found the pic on a Japanese page about unusual rotaries, including a Toyota prototype, a Mercedes prototype, etc etc... I think the page is gone now...  Sorry I don't have a better picture - the 'Babelfish' translation for the caption next to it read: "The NISSAN * rotary Being loaded by the Sunny body, it exhibits to motor show. The 500cc x2 rotor, only ?? inhalation and exhalation of air it is announced." Work that out  I'd saved the whole page in a pdf ages ago... TC |
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Posted: 2004/10/13 12:58 Updated: 2004/10/13 12:58 |
Not too shy to talk   Joined: 2003/7/24 From: Posts: 28 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 eerr you people see any thing wrong wif the picture of the motor in the back ground ???
one of the rotor's apex seals is not touching the housing, now thats different (to the Wankel engine any hoo) don
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Posted: 2004/10/13 13:01 Updated: 2004/10/13 13:01 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 2332 you are right. I think it uses larger struts too, at least the brakes are different from a B110.
What do you all think of the paint scheme? Would this look good on a 1200?
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| hotrod88 |
Posted: 2005/12/29 2:49 Updated: 2005/12/29 2:49 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/6/20 From: Alabama, U.S.A. Posts: 522 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Does anybody know why they didn't catch on ?
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| matbighat |
Posted: 2005/12/29 3:41 Updated: 2005/12/29 3:41 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2001/1/30 From: California Posts: 2973 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 dismal fuel economy and short engine life
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| ddgonzal |
Posted: 2005/12/29 3:49 Updated: 2005/12/29 3:49 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Rotary engines did catch on ... they are still making them! But it took some time to make them as mature as the piston engine. In the meantime, GM, Ford, Mercedes etc. lost interest. Why develop a new engine when the existing type works fine? Congrats for Mazda for sticking with it - daring to be different - and adding boom to their zoom.
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Posted: 2005/12/30 3:03 Updated: 2005/12/30 3:03 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/20 From: Alabama, U.S.A. Posts: 522 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I know they cought on with Mazda , I was talkin about Nissan, |
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| sidedraught |
Posted: 2005/12/31 14:49 Updated: 2005/12/31 14:49 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2004/9/4 From: sydney Posts: 3098 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Quote: Rotary engines did catch on ... they are still making them! But it took some time to make them as mature as the piston engine. In the meantime, GM, Ford, Mercedes etc. lost interest. Lets not forget NSU. |
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| ddgonzal |
Posted: 2006/1/1 1:38 Updated: 2006/1/1 1:38 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Some say it was the "S11" model. I didn't know they were actually sold to the public. AutohauzQuote: The S11 was next. This Silvia was one on its own because it featured a rotary engine, designed and built by Nissan. This engine 2however was fairly unreliable, and never made it to full production. Quote: S11 & S110
Introduced 1979.
Nissan's flirtation with Rotary engines. Only a handful ever produced.
Production continued as the S110 with a conventional piston engine. (designation unknown - any takers?). According to Alan Marr, the Nissan rotary was a 1000cc twin-rotor design. With a 4 barrel carburettor, it was similar to the 10A Mazda engine
Like the CSP311, it was exported in limited numbers as the Nissan 1600 Coupe Magazine Article XO Autosport SILVIA S11 Twin Rotor |
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| Autokat |
Posted: 2004/10/12 13:02 Updated: 2004/10/12 13:02 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/6/2 From: Kingston , Brisbane Posts: 467 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 That would've made things interesting
Did you know that the Rotary engine almost sent MAZDA bankrupt !!
Apparently FORD saved em !!
Just a bit of trivia ( I'm bored )
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| dattodude |
Posted: 2005/12/30 3:39 Updated: 2005/12/30 3:39 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 1998/12/6 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 5806 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I've also seen "from deep in my memory" that they had a 'non-excellent' based Rotary prototype also.
It was in an Australian Wheels magazine in 1971/1972.
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| MadTimo |
Posted: 2005/12/30 4:19 Updated: 2005/12/30 4:19 |
Home away from home Joined: 2003/1/7 From: Posts: 828 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 Well there ya go! Now noone can say you shouldn't put a rotor in a Datsun. The factory did it, and if its good enough for Datsun its good enough for me  |
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Posted: 2005/12/30 5:01 Updated: 2005/12/30 5:01 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 I reckon if Nissan had actually sold any rotaries, they would have caught on (and I'd be driving one now). Unfortunately they never came to production.
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| Dodgeman |
Posted: 2005/12/30 6:47 Updated: 2005/12/30 6:47 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
Re: Early Prototype Rotary 1200 This seemingly ill conceived experiment proved so successfull that the factory, realising the dreadfull mistake they had made,... never built anything beyond the various prototypes. With some actual experience behind them, it seems apparent that, along with just about every other car maker in the world, they don't want to touch this thing with a barge pole. The factory instead stuck with the tried & proven reciprocating piston engine, & if it's good enough for Datsun, it's good enough for me |
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Posted: 2005/12/30 6:56 Updated: 2005/12/30 6:56 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/8/22 From: Adelaide, SA Posts: 1991 |
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