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I talked to my friend who owns the speedshop yesterday and he had the same experiance as Jmac, cylinderwall thickness is very important! When he competed in dragrace in the beginning of 2000 his team struggled with braking cylinders-walls. They had a Volvo B230 16V engine that was pushed to the limits, the cylinderwalls were 3,5mm but they still broke due to massive detonation. They had over 1000hp and ran a impressive time of 7,96 in 2003, this was the European record for four cylinder cars back then. They also tried sleeves but ended up casting new billet blocks.
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Jmac, thank you for taking your time to share your experiance with us! Your posts was very helpful. My biggest problem has been finding suitable pistons under 79mm. I know that I could order some custom ones but when I already have a set of 79mm Wiseco forgies Iīd rather use theam... and itīs always interestning to try somethin new...... test the limits! My current engine is 150hp/5000rpm at the wheels with only 0,7bar boost! Thatīs with stock internals, carbs and mechanical ignition. With decent internals, more cc, a good cylinderhead, electronic injection and ignition and a suitable turbo, 280hp isnīt far away!?
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This sounds like the best porn I have ever seen... keep it up :) Quote: Dodgeman wrote: The new A13 contains some improved active ingredients that involve the inclusion of T-i-t-a-n-i-u-m, plus F-o-r-g-e-d aluminium & steel b-i-l-l-e-t internal components along with a few other secret ingredients. Strong medicine this one.
Now I gotta build my first A13 with the 'H' beam rods & cast flat tops as a 'touring' engine. [Yeah, right.]
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I wont use the maxported head on my boosted engine, it would suffer from to bad exhaustflow! When we ported the head that I am using for this engine we have had focus on the exhaust port because thatīs a big problem with the A-series head when boosted. We started from a round ported A14 head and found great flowfigures from the exhaustport, flowfigures on the intake suffered a bit from the round port but we managed to get a good flowfigure at excellent gasspeed. This head will work great at low rpm without boost, then at higher boostlevels there will be no problems.... Quote: A14force wrote: A cylinder head with those number will sing when fitted to a boosted motor! I can only dream of having a head that flows like that.
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One of my mates who owns a speedshop maxported a A-series cylinderhead for me, the result was IN180hp EX110hp! He used 40mm intake and 32 exhaust valves and made a compromise between high gasspeed and airflow, the bottom of the intakeport was raised with epoxy but he managed those figures without welding. I havenīt tested the head yet so I donīt know how it works but he was very impressed by the numbers, especially the ratio between gasspeed/airflow! He uses a Superflow flowbench! I am dreaming about a +200hp N/A A-series engine in my rallysprint 1200! Marcus Quote: ddgonzal wrote: The other 200HP A-series are not strokers, but are running high RPM (excess of 10,000 RPM) with highly modified heads with raised/fabricated ports.

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This is so much help, thank you guys! Seems like I have to use sleeves in my engine setup to get the reability that I am aming for. I am not aiming for a high boost engine, rather a high comp engine that produces much power at relatively low boost. I am planning to use a Garret GT25R turbo. One of my mates who has a SR20 in his Cherry/Pulsar producing massive 915hp at 42psi boost hasnīt had any problems with the bottomend since he mounted Darton sleeves in the block, and itīs not o-ringed! www.woken.se/wok/2007/dyno_feb07/bromspapper_ras.jpg He has driven 9,54 on the quartermile...... A 2 litre A14 would be really crazy, in my setup I would get problems with the bottom end and the oil-pan... the 82mm crank fits without problem but there are no space left... I canīt use a deeper oil-pan because of the gearbox sitting underneath the engine! Please keep me uptodate, I will send post and pictures during my project! M Quote: Lemonhead wrote: The block that I have had bored to suit 82mm pistons has had a sleeve put in numbers 1 and 4 cylinders and 2 and 3 bored in original material.
This would work, but I am not happy with the arrangement of the bores, no.'s 1 and 4 have been moved to the front and rear of the block and 2 and 3 closer to the centre a bit. This has not given me the bore spacing/combustion chamber alignment that I wanted for the twin cam head nor a A-series head.
So, what I am doing now hopefully is what I originally wanted and that was a full wet sleeve block, I say hopefully because I have a dummy block at my machinist shop to see if we can do it, he's a 'can do' type of bloke and he can't see why we couldn't do it.
With the type of sleeves we are planning on using we can incorporate a raised ring around the bore (about 1mm high) to act as an O ring type of arrangement, with the sleeve thickness, 82mm is just the beginning of bore sizes, it will be interesting to see what size I can go to, coupled with the 88mm stroke crank I should be able to get some good capacity out of a little ol' 1400 block, 88mm x 85mm is 1997cc
I have recently acquired Feral's A13 raised port race head to intially put on the motor while I keep working on the twin cam, I have literally worn out my huge race head which is currently on rally car.
So if the wet sleeving does work, even with a 82mm stroke crank some good capacity can be achieved and to answer the theme of the thread - yes be perfect for high boost applications.
I will keep you posted.
D - From the other thread, I can build you whatever combination you desire 
Marcus - I ran a 79mm n/a motor for a long time with no problems, had the block sonic tested and bored to suit, I like your signature, I guess I'm building honest 200hp n/a A-series motor.
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It feels so nice that some here still remembers me.... There has been so much going on in my life the past years that I havenīt had time to visit this site! I have built a house for me and my family, a warm garage for my wife, a separate hobbygarage for my Datsuns.... on the top of that I was blessed to get twins, a girl and a boy  But I have never given up my hobby and love for the Datsuns! Marcus Quote: A14force wrote: Long time no posts Marcus! I often wondered how you were getting on. I think if you're going to go that far oversize in the bore and run boost then you're going to need to at least partly fill the water jackets. So long as you don't go overboard, the engine will still be useable. I did read somewhere that large overbores (Albeit on big old 6's) the wall gets too thin, and actually alows it to deflect. This allows more blowby to get passed the rings, and results in less power than the same engine with a smaller bore would make. Add boost to the equation, and one would tend to think that such a problem would be exacerbated.(spelling?) That said also, they were including in that analogy the reduction in bore thickness resulting from corrision. Given you get pretty harsh winters it'd be safe to assume that not many motors get used for extended periods without Antifreeze (?) unlike can (and does) happen in warmer climates.

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I read that Lemonhead has bored a A14 block to 82mm, thats impressive! Hope he will give me som answers! If he has managed to bore it to 82mm then 79mm want be any problem.... Here is a Dyno chart of my current engine http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p3 ... igan/Datsun_100A_dyno.jpg
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Quote: ddgonzal wrote: Ah, but that built A14 doesn't come cheap. E15ET is free in some cases (for example Casey was given a free Pulsar). All you gotta do is cut a hole in the firewall, bolt it in, and straighten out the wiring. A bit of work of course, but free is free.
Now I have read all the posts! The cheapest way is of course to mount the E15ET engine if he will get it for free, needs some custom solution but itīs possible!
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I have a A14 with A15 crank and 76mm Mazda flattop pistons in my Datsun 1200 rallysprint car. The engine has a ported head with standard valves, semi cam, twin webers and 4-2-1 extractors. The engine produces nearly 150hp and revs to 8500rpm. The car has been driven very hard on both gravel, tarmac and ice.... only problems has been the clutch and a blown headgasket! If you ask me I think this is the best and cheapest way for you to get a good engine!
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Posted on: 2010/9/10 9:01
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