Rallycar - Ease up there mate. You will notice that every post I have made on the subject I have simply suggested that when setting power goals to beat specific cars you need to be realistic. I am not being rude to you in any way, shape or form.

Saying that half the power/half the weight holds true is NOT always the case as there are too many variables. Do you think a FWD Lancer with exactly the same engine would be as quick as an Evolution model? No, because the 4WD driveline gives more traction off the line. The FWD one would be lighter but it would still be slower over 400 metres. A quick example off the top of my head of two factory cars that support this are the 200SX and Holden Astra turbo. Both cars had 147kw, similar final drive ratios and similar kerb weights. The result - the 200SX is significantly quicker over 400 metres.

You then made the point that stock CA Datsuns are beating Commodores. Fair point but I'm yet to see a stock CA produce only 100rwkw in a Datsun. Every CA ute I have ever seen has been fitted with a pod filter, front mounted intercooler and exhaust during the build stage. This leads to the inherent factory restrictions being removed and higher power levels being attained. So I don't believe you are comparing apples with apples in that regard.

You suggested that I have a problem because I believe the power figures being produced by Falcadores, WRXs etc. A few issues ago one of the main Australian motoring magazines tested the entire range of performance vehicles from Ford and Holden including the HSV and FPV vehicles. For the most part the dyno figures were correct. In another article a HSV Commodore V8, WRX STi and Evo IX were dynoed and again the results were realistic. I have also personally seen several of the performance cars you are wishing to beat put on dynos before mods were performed and again the power figures were correct.

You have then stated that you've never seen a stock Commodore go under 14 seconds yet I have clearly stated that in a previous post they have. Just quickly flicking through the December issue of Wheels reveals that EVERY current spec HSV (except for the Coupe4) does the 400 metre dash in between 13.3 and 13.5 seconds. The old LS1 SS Commodore does it in 14.1 (this car now has a detuned LS2 which should see it also dip into the 13's). As I suggested you may want to take a peek at a car magazine at some stage to take stock of your goals.

Pager - I'm sorry that this issue has taken over your original thread mate. I really only wanted to offer you some advice on your power and competition goals. An L series motor has been suggested as a budget alternative. I think when you do the sums this option is exceptional value for money.

Regards Matty