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my post has nothing to do with your post champ.

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As for stirring the pot. Going off your regular posts, I bet you have no idea what this guys point is.

ok cheers phunkdoktaspok my bad

i thought my post may have been misunderstood but its all good

what ####s me about these "hoon laws" -as has been said it takes 1 or 2 young drivers to street race or just do insane speeds, crash kill a few of his mates that were in the car or kill himself and other people and then all of a sudden the parents of these kids that have been killed become experts on road safety all because their kid was killed by their childs mate.

also i got a MY02 wrx just b4 xmas and immediately i was tagged a hoon - jokingly by my mother in law - but even that serves to prove that if you are young and get a car with power - your a hoon. Now my mother in law was not being serious when making the comment to me - i have a great relationship with her and when she is serious about something i will know, but i dont drive like an idiot or a hoon in this car or any car for that matter as i always have the kids in the car and there is no way in hell i am going to put them in danger.

so a hoon is just a person (of ANY age) going out and doing complety stupid things in their cars - moded or not - regardless of what licenses they hold - and if u get caught you pay the price.

and as for Finland i am so amazed at the way they train their drivers i am totally impressed with it all.

I am not suprised the govt hasnt thought of doing this tho the govt is packed with a bunch of dickheads who wouldnt have a clue

Hoon laws are there for a reason,to stop death and injury not only to drivers and passengers but also to innocent road and footpath users.
Now i am first to agree that these laws are by no way perfect but something has to be done.
Our countries leaders have got it wrong in that they think driving a vehicle is a chore ,most of us enjoy driving and driving towards the limits of ours and our cars capabilities.
Shouldn't there be a push to drive to the limits in a controlled environment so that everybody can 'hoon' and not have to worry about damage to others and property.
As prime minister Bob (I want that job as much as being shafted by John Holmes)I would actually toughen anti hoon legislation but woud make sure no child lived in poverty(sorry wrong PM Bob).I would also make sure all drivers have access to a driver facility with proper tuition so that they have an alternative to street hooning and no excuse to be doing burnouts outside my house at 2 in the morning

Cheers
Bob

I think we all(car people)know how to fix most of our so called problems,i'd also suggest a good many pollies would also know,but the bottom line is that they(pollies)don't want it fixed cause it generates too much income to be messed with.This may sound cynical but consider for a moment the funds pumped into consolidated revenue thru the motor vehicle usage within our states and teritorys.

Until a replacement tax is dreamed up nothing will change except the fines will keep increasing.A classic example of my theory is Australias water usage,we are all told to use less water as we hav'nt enough to go around,so being good citizens we all turn off,kill the grass and gardens and generally make do with less.Congratulations say the authorities you have done well,however as our fixed costs for running the water grid have not changed and you are using less we will be charging you more for each litre you use so our margins can be retained and our public service sector maitained at an increasing rate.
The most recent car/driver safety talkfest held in Brisbane a couple of years back had all the boffins in attendance plus several other well meaning speakers,including Dick Johnson (like him or not)armed with all manner of ideas/concepts/facts...he and others where basically laughed out of the talks...by the end of the talkfest the only tangable thing to come out of it was an increase in fines to the then Beattie government and now kept alive by constant auto related increases by our very own Capt.Bligh.
Yep that'll fix it

Wow i managed to read through that one and not switch off when i came across the word Pollies. Coffee must still be working. Will get a glass of water after all that.

same over here bert people being cought speeding has drop'd since a law came in that they have to only put em where people crash , so now they just said we are dubbleing the amout of camera's

The laws are there for the lowest common denominator - the rest of us sadly suffer for it.

I think some speed limits are ridiculous anyone with an ounce of driving ability could exceed them safely....but the rules are set for the absolute worst drivers on our roads in the worst cars....not the best.

More racetracks, more hillclimbs, more autocross, would be great, making it cheaper would be even better.

Mildman seems to me to hit the nail on the head. A few idiots spoil it for the majority. sadly, that's life.

Perthute raises a few good points.

But.....I'm not buying it.

I can only speak for QLD Laws with respect to "Hoon legislation" ( I should know it, I've been a Police Officer for a long time - long before the legistlation came in). Flame me as much as you like I've heard it all before.

I've been a car enthusiast for longer (see introduction).

I cannot agree with a person that defends someone doing 170kph on an open road - I don't care if it was Michael Schumacher in the worlds greatest handling car - you cannot beat the laws of physics (and believe me I've tried it, on the track - always with bad and expensive results).

In my time I have been required to give a parent the worst news of their life on a number of occasions.

Not a pleasant experience and not one to forget.

I have also comforted a few people during their last moments, even harder to forget. Like the 12yr old boy who was the backseat passenger when his older brother decided to test out the performance of the family Torana and wrapped it around a tree on a suburban street.

These type of incidents tend to give you a bit of clarity when it comes to the dangers of road use.

All I can say is education, both on how to drive and on the road rules (two very different issues) if you can have a good understanding you shouldn't have too many problems. If the Law in your state says you will lose your bike if caught doing a wheely on the freeway at 2am it's simple, don't do it!

If someone that competes in motorsport events frequently needs to carry on like a wanker on the street then something is wrong, not only would they be giving car entusiasts of all kinds a bad name they are also making it hard for the argument for new venues for motorsport.

My 2c.

-Pete.