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ddgonzal
Re: Subaru-lsd? - half-shafts
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Mazda didn't "steal" the rotary engine design. They bought a license from NSU for the Wankel engine design, just like nearly every other Japanese and American auto manufacturer did. Mazda simply had the guts to stick with it when everyone else gave up. There's even a photo of Nissan's rotary in our Photo Album.

Technically, the americans didn't run up the gas prices. The cartel of petroleum-producing countries (OPEC) restricted the oil supply and thus prices rose per supply-and-demand economy.

But yeah, Japanese industry does have a reputation of taking ideas and (eventually) improving them beyond the original products from other companies. Call it the tireless pursuit of excellence ...

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Naukiss,
The R160 and H165 have totally different carriers and cannot be interchanged at least the ones I have played with



Carriers are different, H165B uses that stupid collapsible spacer etc. but pinion & ring gear as well whole differential part is interchangeadable. Nismo sport option gears and LSD-parts are same for H165B-R160 and H190-R200. Differential side bearings are different, almost everything else is interchangeadable and that's what's this thread is about, changing Subaru R160 LSD internals into H165B.

That's just some page I found there's some information about Nissan diff internals interchangeadibility.

[url]http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/lsdtech.html#appdxA[/url]

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At last ! someone with some correct information.
I was beginning to believe that my diff guy spun me some B/S; and after reading some of the replies posted here,promptly rang him for some convincing evidence!
He assurred me that all was above-board & not to believe everything I read.
He`s running a little behind in his work and it should`nt be to long before diff`s in.

Thankyou Naukkis

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Re: Subaru-lsd? - half-shafts
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My Triumph 2500 Saloon has IRS and sliding spline half shafts. Apparently like many other things - Datsun took that design - and the same bolt patterns etc and came up with a ball bearing based sliding half-shaft design for the datto 1600 or something

sorry britishcarfreak, but that semi trailing arm IRS is a BMW design - seems Triumph are guilty of exactly the same thing

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succint and to the point L18!

I guess the British took all the german technology after the war, tried to copy it, discovered that their casting and fabrication technology wasnt up to it and so put 27 different size whitworth thread bolts in everything in a vain attempt to keep the oil in.


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So, if i was to have a H190 diff, converting it to LSD i'd be able to use the R200 LSD mech (from an S13, silvias, etc)? These aren't exactly rare, what's the going rate for an LSD R200?

S15 helical LSD $700 neg

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well, yeah, kind of...
There's three different H190 centres that I know of, and most of the parts arent interchangeable between them.
I've used R200 slippery plates in the H190's, but have never made the whole slippery unit fit.
Havent tried all the combinations though....

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feral
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Carriers are different, H165B uses that stupid collapsible spacer etc. but pinion & ring gear as well whole differential part is interchangeadable. Nismo sport option gears and LSD-parts are same for H165B-R160 and H190-R200. Differential side bearings are different, almost everything else is interchangeadable


The viscous R160 centre may be able to be adapted to an H165 with some work. This does not mean the ring and pinion can be interchanged between R160 and H165B or H190 and R200 differentials.

I just measured an R160 pinion gear and if it could be installed in an H165B carrier the pinion gear would be sticking 30 mm out the back of the housing of the diff. These are two completly different designs of diff, as are the H190 and R200.

Pinion gears and ring gears do not interchange inspite of what the site may say.

In my nismo catalogue the lsd centres are not interchangeable and have different dimensions. H165 ring gear 165mm OD and 102 ID; R160 ring gear 160mm OD and 102 Id. I have posted a pic of the R200 crown and pinion next to an H190 diff.

Posted on: 2003/9/2 7:05
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H165 ring gear 165mm OD and 102 ID; R160 ring gear 160mm OD and 102 Id
That tells me that the differential gears will fit inside the H165 crown/ring gear? Yeah? (I have never played with a diff (other than lego ), only read about it in prep for whats to come on my car, so correct me if i am wrong.) The only unkown would be the alignment of bolts on the crown/ring and the axle/side bearings?

From Feral's pic seems the H190/R200 ring gear inside dimensions look ( ) similar?
Haven't got a pic of the differential gears from that R200 crown and pinion have you?
Hmmm, surely there is a diff shop somewhere that has investigated this before?

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I am uploading a shot of the R200 centre against the H190. As you can see they dont fit.

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