Don't detect any counter steer in the front wheels.....all understeer then?

Yes, a few days ago it was black ice. You can't see black ice, it looks like rain on the tarmac, but some of it was ice.

That's an AWD subie. It's one way to stop.

Today it is still about 4 inches of snow over the road. It's a couple of degrees above freezing. This does not happen every year in Seattle.

not too far away from Dave & the same number of dumbass drivers on the roads.....this is a park a block from my house.






my 1200 is snug & safe in the garage although a little cramped as I shoved it into the shop portion so I could wedge my van in there as well. didn't think I could get 3 cars & 3 motorcycles & all my other crap in there!

We get black ice down here alot during winter. its not a good feeling when you hit some. the old sphincter does tense up.

That top pic is nice I like that a lot.

And Troy guess its good the sphincter still tightens up... Otherwise time for brown interior

AND this is why I live in the Desert...................black ice here is one your cooler bounces out of the back of your 4wd truck as you pound over piles of volcanic rock.

Tom

It's nearly all melted now.

Here's a photo of Kelly's car in Utah. It should melt a few months from now...

Damn!! 1200's Ain't afraid of no snow.

WELL...................I;ve raced my 1200 in hail and snow, we had a freaky winter back around 94 and on pre-grid hail started failing and in morning practice there was actual snow falling.............didn't stick to the track though.

Tom

In Dec I was driving around in a big V8 RWD in the snow and ice on summer street tyres. -10C = no grip at all.

If you ever stopped on any incline at all, even 0.5% slope that car would not move again...it's funny how most Americans don't fit winter tyres when the temp drops below 0, they really make an amazing amount of difference to grip.

The tyres had more grip on ice at -5C than they did in snow at -10C