A14Forced, show some respect !! This is about the past not the present. I and i'd say a few people on here, couldn't give a crap about your conspiracy theories.

Everyone here respects the fallen there is no doubt about it no need to tell someone otherwise. My family has lost relatives to WW 1 & 2 and at no point will I forget or stop blaming the industry that put them in the ground that was part of the past and still a very vivid part of our present.

There is no conspiracy theory its obvious BS of a corrupt insidious controlled industry. Will you send your children to fight Wars or treat the injured? created by the Zionist elite to reclaim Palestinian land from the Ottoman Empire to become Israel. What the Diggers did was beyond heroic in such un-imaginable conditions and misery none of which any of todays contractors sent to the Middle East or media should have the audacity to compare to real Diggers. If we dont learn from the BS that put them there they died in vain.

A14Forced is not a young punk who doodles only with his i-pad & Facebook for his entertainment he sees through the BS that controls our media & fools the masses.

Lest we forget - Today and always my family on both sides mourns for the injustice that destroyed so many souls

Lest we Forget.

Hi D,
Wow, thats a fairly strong worded post that you have put up and indeed food for thought.
Couple of questions though- are you saying that the old Ottoman empire controlled Palestine back then? I had no idea that was so.
It was always my understanding that the whole campaign was about seizing control of the Dardanelles and thus ( I guess ) controlling the flow of oil to feed the German war machine.
Are you also saying that WW1 was effectively started by an Zoinist elite?
And 'contractors' - are you referring the the Australian army or self employed ex army involved in 'security'?
Dave

I have the same queries, contractors? Exactly which contractors are you talking about?

Not trying to float my own boat, but I don't appreciate people who haven't been here doing what we do pass judgement. Conspirators will always point to the influence of Defence Industry over major Govts as the reason we are here, but to me the real reason is much simpler. The ADF, and particular Army, are great at going to war. What they aren't good at is establishing an end game and how to absolve from fighting. Working alongside our allies I can tell you it is much the same from their side.

I remember my great grandfather telling me that Turkey paid Britain upfront for X amount of ship's to be built, prior to the war. When the war broke out, Germany approached Turkey, But Churchill, told Turkey "your not getting ya ships" just incase they took Germany's side. Basically it was lose lose, Turkey declared war on Britain and was going to get involved anyway, but better with out any ships.

I have a chiming clock in my lounge which was a wedding present to my great grandparents from my great great uncle. my great uncle who gave it to me attached a type written letter inside the door on the back of it.
Saying to whom it was given, and by whom when. My great great uncle was later killed in action at Paschendale. The battle in which more kiwi's were killed that any other. the bloodiest day in NZ military history.
his sister (my great grandmother) subsequently had a nervous breakdown about it, and (as far as I know) was never the same again) My great uncle (her son) is still alive. (at 96) he still still speaks of how "Mother was gravely ill" when he was growing up. and how he was sent to live with an aunt.
I have more respect than most. read a book like Voices of Galipoli by Maurice Shadbolt, and get a real handle on what it was actually like.
I say, ask those young men, he's here's a day off. What're you going to do? They'd of gone to the pub most likely. So to honour them, we should get on the hammer.
As for conspiracy theories, how f-king blind are you?????!!!!
Do you know how much money is spent on defence worldwide?
More than the GDP of Australia mate. With that much money at stake, the people who pull the strings of the 'elected leaders" don't give a f- about anyone, or anything.
Pull you head out of your arse, or STFU and go back to FOX news telling you want to think.
True story.

Is this response aimed at me? To get it straight I'm not a contractor, I'm a serving member. I've served on multiple operations in hostile environments with military bodies from all over the world. While the conditions were indescribable for the early wars this #OOPS# we do is no cakewalk.

As for Govt spending on Defence Industries, pull your head out champ. Industry has been involved in war since day dot. Sun Tzu wrote that for every man sent to war the nation must contribute 10 gilds of silver per head, 100 gilds per head for every horse, etc. The fact is in our modern wars from WWI on private industry has always been involved and always benefited.

And as for what I did on ANZAC day; I donned my uniform, attended our dawn service where I laid poppies for, among others, five Kiwis that lost their lives in the middle east in the past 12mths, and went off to work continuing the fight. What did you do?

Absolutely agree about private industry, Wars create new growth, jobs economy. Rockerfella paid Stalin, millions in gold to start the war. Just to get the mining rights cause the czar turned him down. War is big money and a dirty business !! It is a shame about the casualties and who suffers.

Respect to Whorida and those that serve our country and especially the men who were really just boys sent to war like my fathers father. Unfortunately no respect to A14force or D Couple of clowns who's daily exercise consists of running people down and jumping to conclusions. Just clean up your own back yard before you worry about others.