there shouldn't be bickering or opinions being expressed in this thread its about paying respects. no one gives a #OOPS# about conspiracies or what the hell you done on the day

Agree

We do what we do out of respect for those that served before us and the mateship we share with those who stand by our sides.

Again, I wasn't trying to be high and mighty about Anzac Day and what I did. I was just completely offended by A14's comment on how most of us are just out to get hammered on this special day. I can tell you those ppl are in the vast minority.

Whorida how do you serve our country please enlighten us of your heroics supporting our Allies in their war on terror.

There are no conclusions or conspiracies unless your are an ignorant Bogon like DatsAndy, too ignorant to know any better or have any limited scope of knowledge. You dont respect that other people are still upset by the injustices of war then you have alot of growing to do.

There are no rules to this thread so lay off with your bleats that we are disrespectful of not paying respect for voicing the unfortunate circumstances of war. You think you make the rules here where is freedom of speech last time I checked its not a nanny state forum - you are not the only ones who have suffered. Lest we forget, we never will.

HA HA Yeah I'm a bogon Just ask the people that have met me in person. A bogon that with a little info could rummage around on your Computer from where i sit and delete many files and folders. D get rid of ya mobile phone i think its been tapped by the CIA. As I said and others keep saying its a thread to show respect to the fallen and there families. Take ya battles to a place where someone might listen we're not interested in your self righteous ranting. No I do respect that there are people still upset by injustices but they have been affected directly Wives, children, Brothers, Sisters. What injustice has been done to you ?

Yes D is right the masses are stupid, Hittler said it aswell 'The masses are stupid '.

Jump to conclusions much D? While I'm not going to share the atrocities I have seen or been involved in on an open forum I'm going to take I wild stab and suggest I'm probably better placed to comment on war and its injustices than you are.

As for ignorant and not accepting others opinions, what of mine or DatsAndy's opinions have you accepted? All you have done is spout vitriolic hyperbole with nary a shred of fact behind it. All I have done is respond to insults from yourself and others standing up for all military members past and present.

Ignorant bogan, big call. I may be from the Westrn Suburbs of Sydney, enjoy a beer and talk with an accent, but I'll assume from the construct of your diatribe that my education level has peaked higher than yours.

Do I blindly agree with war, no. Sun Tzu said that the greatest victory is to win a war without ever going to battle. He was alluding to the war of economics and policy. Iraq was a disaster in both, but we fight there no longer. I think it is the 'contractor puppet' war you keep referring to. Afghanistan is a different beast so please don't confuse the two.

Let me ask this, if there was a bombing at the MCG on AFL Grand Final day and 20000 people perished would you be upset? If a terrorist cell then admitted through global media that they conducted it and a Govt from a certain foreign nation openly condoned it and supported them would you not want justice? War is not great, not fun and mostly hard to justify, but give the world a better alternative before rubbishing what we do. Sitting on your hands and sprouting conspiracy theories without justification and any hard proof is not helping anyone.

In the words of Edmund Blackadder when asked why the allies were at war in WWI, 'in the end it was easier than not going to war'. Albeit a comedy no truer words were spoken over the comedic attempts of multiple Govts and industries to restore order. Nothing has changed.

DatsAndy are you saying you are a bogan that can use a PC to infiltrate others private information including mine? you better be good at hacking linux so then you might get a job by Bill Gates to reduce its losses or best you might be the next Bogan version of Julian Assange disclosing secret data on future patented medicine my family has been working on to cure ailments such as BoganIgnorism and Tunnelvisionism come on thats not the Datsun spirit.

Whorid, You are better situated to comment on the atrocities of war than I? This is exactly how ignorant and egotistical you are to even conclude that, when you have no iota of my past 44 years of existence or my family history. I think you best come off your high rocking horse a tad and exercise a reduction of your illusions and general stabs. I will not comment here entirely on my personal or family casualties or history as DatsAndy has shown he has no respect even when A14Force disclosed his unfortunate story, very low call. Ive lost respect for those who fight due to the orders of puppet fools. Both sides of my families even my Wife have been victims of every world war and my ancestry were mainly involved in medical positions to help the maimed, disfigured, diseased and tortured suffering the ultimate sacrifice for helping, yet that makes it no better than the losses of the many who had no iota the injustice of killing others due to the orders of the Elite. I have been part of a group that inoculates hundreds of the poorest of children with our own funding in Laos, Vietnam and other places. These are kids that live off massive garbage dumps in different parts of the world and words cannot describe how lucky and touching this makes us feel. I used to take a much deserved holiday on some resort facility to down flaming lambos via poolside but witnessing the increased ex-pats and fat tourists abusing poor locals for sex and seen them in drunken frenzies just cuts the shine of traveling in Asian hot spots these days.

You have immediately jumped on the defense of your position just as you stereotypically would in your indoctrinated massaged career choice. What you call vitriolic hyperbole and refuse to admit is well known to the many and leaking without effort. For one recent example the ridiculous choices of our "Protective" Department helped by a secret deal by Johnny Coward is the JSF programme.
It will likely end out to an estimated 35 billion bill if we are lucky for 100 bug ridden slow F-35 JSF which cost 2-3 times more to operate and maintain yet are no match compared to ageing F16s. For example work out how many homes there are in Australia then divide that by 35 billion and its more than plenty to fit 4kw solar installations on every home or build 70 molten salt solar thermal power stations and you quickly wake up how much waste of our dollars there is due to idiotic puppets entrenched in deals that only benefit their existence, at the expense of millions of hard working Australians. Yet this is only a portion of the many other wasted contracts the list goes on.

There is plenty of crap left behind the Allied forces in Afghanistan and Iraq leaving a trail of destruction, one of the worst is the use of DU that now causes so many biological atrocities that will last for more than 100,000 years.
Gulf Syndrome anybody? You are one of the responsible for supporting the Allies in more ways than you think, where the use of DU (depleted uranium) in these countries a crime of the highest degree to our biological heritage & future existence for our children's children to come. Of recent decades one of my relatives "volunteers" yes unpaid along with other volunteers like one of our best Female physicians this country has ever had, to cut out tumors and cancerous tissue from victims of the thousands of tonnes of DU from the 1991 campaign. Another is helping Agent Orange victims just outside of Hanoi in the Vietnam Friendship Village where my wife and I volunteered for 2 months helping orphaned and Elderly in various activities none of them that was to do with firing practice.

Also Whorida you assumed I called you a Bogan when I labelled DatsAndy rant? then you have to justify that you do the normal things like myself or anybody would do and your education is higher? That sounds very much like a stereo-typical ignorant pleb.

Sun Tzu philosophy is practiced by the power mongers with our wealth not theirs and duly commanding puppets like yourself to destroy or clowns like me and my family to patch up the damage - mostly irreversible.

Now that you mention it, Afghanistan is a different beast how they could be the same is also clear in economic applications. Yet Iraq is a no lesser Beast. Monsanto has nicely laid its stake there as well like everywhere else the Allies invade and damage. For example featured in Time magazine from all things and not accepted by the Bush Admin at the time is tactically changing legislation there in order that poor farmer's with countless generations of their rightful inherited heritage seeds, end up confiscated due to these laws and forced to use GMO Monsanto offerings and the rest of their industrious farming practices. The same damaging agricultural system of farming they insidiously spread throughout the globe. What you think you are not helping Monsanto in anyway you say you are protecting our soil as well are you up to date with the current legislation thats about to be enforced here thanks to Monsanto while we are distracted with gay marriage and drugs in our sports?

As for a Bombing at the MCG what you mean is another 911 like inside job where the inquiry will be a fraction compared to the money spent on scandals like the Blow job of Bill Clinton yet thousands of proffessional architects and pilots demand to re open the case and fall on deaf ears?. I see you sitting on your hands here starting a post to try and spread your BS position here, pretending you really care & proud to allow our controlled media hogwashingly label you a new generation of "Digger" that never had to endure the worst possible conditions anyone could imagine. The better Alternative would be not to fight, not support the poisoning of invaded countries, taking away its leaders to replace them with puppets that promote big shopping malls, Monsanto controlled crops, junk food outlets and friendly fire on innocent children and people who traded and lived by an iron fist that had no weapons of mass destruction or nuclear material that even compares to the DU spread all over its soil. The conspiracies stereotyped Bleats as used so moronically by the brainwashing system that keeps the masses in order, its shows clearly you have not a microscopic particle of compassion by saying war is justifiable. Not even close to embodying any essence of our Diggers.

How can we respect someone who fights for the insidious companies like MonSanto or murderous scum like Mossad or even at the call of puppet twats like Julia Gillard that allow the sale of U-238/U-238 to the Allied massaged Indian economy to anger Pakistan. Indians have shown no responsibility in disposing depleted nuclear waste or disclosing any accidents with their Nukes and Nuke programmes they allow allow poor twerps in simple uniforms to remove and dump this waste like normal garbage or sewerage in their own land.

Could go on forever with the destruction thanks to the ignorant many that would shame our ancestors beyond belief. There are no conspiracies just lots of money and power to be earned its all business in the end nothing hides that.

Your use of name calling and thinly veiled jibes shows the true man you are D. I'll let you in on a secret, I to have lost family to war, and I have helped refugees, many of them young children, escape oppression. I'll give you one thing, the JSF project is a debacle. But please don't confuse the mistakes of bumbling bureaucrats in the APS with what we do.

Fake 'diggers', how about you stand up like a man in front of the families and friends of my comrades that have paid the ultimate price in this war? You never would, you are the atypical keyboard warrior. Tell me to get off my high horse, I'm riding a Shetland to your Black Caviar brother. All I have done is stand up for myself and my fellow troops past and present, and the families and friends of my colleagues you choose to insult. My beautiful wife started a post to show her respect and you hijacked it with sanctimonious crap.

I could sit here all night and pick apart the Marxist, anti-semitic rubbish you have written a novel on, but to be honest it isn't worth it. You are incapable of seeing others opinions through your own ignorance and blatant egotism. I'm happy to man up and admit I made a fundamental error in allowing your sheer insolance to upset me so much I retaliated. You are not worth the fight. Rather I'm going to happily go on proudly representing the vast majority of my countrymen who actually give a #OOPS# about what we do and respect us regardless of their views on the reasons behind this war.

Whorida you are three times the man D will ever b. He assumes I'm a bogan most likely because i live in a country town, which mind you has a university and a diverse range of culture and lifestyles. Little does he know about where i grew up and what I've seen. Also what I've studied and done to better myself as a kid that grew up on the streets of Sydney sleeping in parks and under bridges with veterans and all types.I had nothing and was nothing, now i have a good job a loving girlfriend and then the material things, which I've built up over the last 15 years while rebuilding my life. I to have lost relatives to war and grew up with the widows of those lost. You also got to me (D)originally for hijacking a simple respectful thread and then attacking me personally. Shame on me for stooping to your level.