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1200GXman
Re: "bang for your buck" opinions
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That must be the best comment I've heard in a long time.
My personal opinion, nothing comes close to a car with good suspention and good brakes.
My 1200GX only have 165/60 R13 wheels on and one night me and my friend with his 1600cc 16valve 1995 nissan sentra took each other on trough town.
It was on a couple of twisty roads and some straights with braking in some places required.
In some place I got in front of him.
From there he could'nt get past me.
On the straights he caught me and were on my a$$. As soon as we get in the twisty parts he dropped back.
When we came home, he could'nt believe that my 1200 gave him a go.
Not due to power but due to handling.

To get a good all round performer I will go for a modified A15 engine and do the brakes and suspention also.
For drag racing I will do brakes and a A15 with a turbo.
It all comes down to what you want to do with the car and how much money you have.
Drag race or track.

Posted on: 2004/8/26 13:19
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yes that is a very good comment indeed. has got me thinkin

Posted on: 2004/8/26 13:22
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what you have to realise, chippa17, is that if you are simply going to pay someone to do it, there isn't a cheap way to get a significant bhp increase. Labour costs money - its a fact of life. Without knowing the details of the quote, and exactly how much of the parts they've quoted on supplying , I'd say$4000 to reco an engine properly, do all the fab work for manifolding at commercial rates etc is not bad at all in my book. If it includes purchase of the turbo, its a steal. A decent NA engine will cost $1000 per pot as well, and by rights the turbo engine should blow it away.

Try paying someone to do the whole E15ET swap, or to build a decent performance A series motor complete with carbs, or do an engine conversion (no matter wether it's L series or CA or 4AGE or whatever).

Nothing can be done cheaply unless you are capable of doing it yourself, or have some good mates with the skills who are prepared to help out. Obviously not everyone is that lucky, and for them the best option is probably to perform mods that can be done in stages as they can be afforded which will lead to a good package. And they're the commonsense mods always talked about :
extractors
carb/s
compression (eg skim the head)
maybe a mild port job while its off
cam
decent rebuild with balance & lightened flywheel or swap to A14 or A15 instead at that point. Although an E15 turbo would not be a great deal more expensive.

horses for courses...

Posted on: 2004/8/26 13:39
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sunny wrote:
Peter Brock once said " if you spend $2000 on your motor you might gain 2 seconds a lap, but if you spend $2000 on your brakes you might gain 6 seconds a lap"

Back in December of '89 I took delivery of a new EA Falcon wagon with the six seat option. That meant three speed auto on the column.

I picked it up in Sydney & headed for Cooma [near Victorian border]
Before i left Goulburn that same day,[120 miles down the road] i had fitted five new tyres of a much more sensible size. Before i left Canberra [another 60 miles] i had new Koni shocks on the rear. Then i continued on to Cooma. By wednesday the following week, it had Koni's on the front also.

These things TRANSFORMED the car. In stock trim, it was not safe at country road speeds, but with a few changes, it was safe to drive right up to it's top speed of about 180k [so i'm told, you understand]

Mr Brock & Sunny are absolutely right. The greatest waste of money is to overpower a substandard chassis, & uprating the chassis yeilds performance improvements that do not normally incurr an additional fuel consumption penalty. That makes it a performance improvement bargain.

Posted on: 2004/8/26 14:00
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Dodgeman wrote:
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sunny wrote:
Peter Brock once said " if you spend $2000 on your motor you might gain 2 seconds a lap, but if you spend $2000 on your brakes you might gain 6 seconds a lap"

Back in December of '89 I took delivery of a new EA Falcon wagon with the six seat option. That meant three speed auto on the column.

I picked it up in Sydney & headed for Cooma [near Victorian border]
Before i left Goulburn that same day,[120 miles down the road] i had fitted five new tyres of a much more sensible size. Before i left Canberra [another 60 miles] i had new Koni shocks on the rear. Then i continued on to Cooma. By wednesday the following week, it had Koni's on the front also.

These things TRANSFORMED the car. In stock trim, it was not safe at country road speeds, but with a few changes, it was safe to drive right up to it's top speed of about 180k [so i'm told, you understand]

Mr Brock & Sunny are absolutely right. The greatest waste of money is to overpower a substandard chassis, & uprating the chassis yeilds performance improvements that do not normally incurr an additional fuel consumption penalty. That makes it a performance improvement bargain.


that is the true-est thing i've read on any forum to date.

Posted on: 2004/8/27 1:20
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1200GXman wrote:

To get a good all round performer I will go for a modified A15 engine and do the brakes and suspention also.
For drag racing I will do brakes and a A15 with a turbo.
It all comes down to what you want to do with the car and how much money you have.
Drag race or track.


Agreed. I have an A12 turbo, loads of suspension and brake work. The car in its first event aquitted itself very well.

My a-series turbo setup is; in comparison to a ca18det setup, a cheap little number. Let me just say that it has enough mumbo to keep up with the big boys around the track.

As for brakes/suspension.....the best mods I did to the car. I gain many seconds on other competitors by the sheer distance I can dive in under brakes. The 1200 is very light and with big brakes stops in excellent time.

Craig

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