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they won because

a) they were basically entering a 7 litre V8 supercar draped in a monaro bodyshell in a std production series and

b) some yutz let them do this.

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pfff - so what? the honda S2000 engine makes more than this and isn't a "race only" engine, is it? it's a std production engine.

but lemme guess, you can't tow a boat with it, can you...?

they're still antiquated - regardless of if they still run or not. there is no denying that there is better technology out there to run an ICE. it just depends what you choose to run.

no need to get angry about it.

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did i ever say this...? if so, please post it for me.

i reckon A series engines rock, and 289/351 windsors, and ford 200 pursuit engines, and blue 202's (only when turbo'd)...

i'm planning on building a number of antiquated engines up for a bit more poke. why? coz they're throwaway items and if i blow one up i can pick up another for $100.

that's what makes them so fun

One thing you forgot to mention Harry and its worthwhile is that the Moron-aro used a special race prepped 7 litre engine that has a power input to a 240v main to warm up the engine oil to 100 degrees celcius before cranking it over or it would self destruct. Jee I wonder how many of these specially engine Moron-aros are on the road?

As for pushrods I love a good hemi but wanker GM, Ford and Jag got rid of the 13b at Bathurst even after they restricted its porting to Bridge from Peripheral.

When the rules where the same for Mazda at Le Mans as for every other car maker the rotor won and then got banned thanks to the other companies lubing officials.

When the game is fair the best technology wins in races and in the air. Twin Cams, rotors, modern 2 strokes etc.

Show me a pushroad bike that can match a 1300cc hayabusa.

A little 1300cc suzuki swift engine will outlast a pushrod 1300cc without a rebuild 4 times over and yet be no where near stressed.

As for Indy with turbocharged engines you must check out whats running now in those cars... anyone say twin cammed v8s?

As for F1 what pushrod can reach 17,000 rpm?

Oh and to build a chev to match a old hemi you are dreaming and eating too much junk food.

Time and time again its proven the hemi is king and Keith Black has shown why.
By the way a cast iron windsor v8 is lighter than any cast iron chev v8 ever made but I guess being a blind chev nut really makes you blind at everything. A windsor v8 is lighter than an nissan L26 by about 8-12 pounds so please stop dreaming.

For big ass engines pushies are the way to simplicity and you cant beat a mopar crate engine with normally aspiration....
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Pro240c Hoohaa!!! you the bad man.

errr just found 2 cents,

what started all this was someone saying where the cam is in a pushrod engine as "normal". the proper term is "buried cam", that would saved the whole argument.

i think yes you can make some good power from pushrod engines, but they are never as durable and drivable for the same amount of power as multivalve designs.

dont look at the Gen 111 as example, because it is 5.7L !!! and way bigger than anything japanese that makes similar power.

the great thing about old pushrod motors like the A series is they are simple enough to work on yourself to do any job. with any new car say 5-10 yrs old u cant touich it a whole lot, even if u had the right computers and software etc...

Sorry but we hate credit going to corrupt selfish companies like those that make the Moron-aro!

all Hail the a15

Apparently, I really touched a nerve here. I'm not angry at all but I'm sorry you guy's are so upset. Next time I go to an NHRA meet, I'll look for those Windsors, cammers and Honda S2000's. Would you like me to tell you how many I see?

Pro 240c, when you quote me, please don't cut the quote off to suit your purpose. Thank you.

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If someone put a restrictor in the intake of that Honda S2000, do you think the power output would go down?


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I would assume you are talking about using an old Hemi block here, not a Keith Black repop block? There's just a little difference. Do you think the Hemi's dominance in racing happened with a stock block?

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I don't see many Windsors at the drags. I think people are using them for boat anchors. Maybe they're lighter in Oz because you're upside down?

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The design eventually proved to be capable of producing more power than the cast iron cylinder block technology of the day could handle. Lets face it, they were engines originally designed for 2 ton luxury liners.

It was when these old engines were being pushed beyond 2,000 horespower that it became clear that the limits of cylinder block strength were being reached & some clever people came up with stronger & lighter replacements. It was these that allowed the basic pushrod hemi design potential to really come alive, yet to this day, there has never been a need to move beyond the basic pushrod design. Even the highly desirable, current model, 3rd generation Dodge hemi is a pushrod engine.

Small engines that need to rev to exreme levels to make good power, like F1 or even motorcycle engines, will always benefit from the reduction of reciprocating valve mass that multivalve DOHC designs provide. Horses for courses, but the basic pushrod engines simplicity means that it will always hold a place dear to my heart.

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the great thing about the A series engines is, with an A14/15, twin SUs, a cam, head work, high CR and a good exhaust you can piss on ANYTHING built in the last 15years, be it in a B110, B210 or B310

try getting the same result out of a slow-rolla or a hyundai for the same $$$ and i'll show you flying swine.

i love pushrod engines - Mopars and Dattos are my favourite cars of all time - but they have their place.

like slotting a pushrod 1300 ford kent engine into the latest Ford KA and making it FWD just doesn't do it for me - or the general public by the look of the sales. it was suicide - who the hell came up with that idea...?