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Engine out of balance or is it harmonics? (GXman's update)
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Hi All

I just want to get people's opinion about something.
As you all know I have the A12GX engine.
This past weekend I decided to drive my car slowly in the revs to see what happens where.
all the way to 3500rpm it is nice and smooth.
At 4000rpm it starts to make alot of engine and exhaust noise and a bit of vibrations.
At 4500 it really starts to make noise and more vibrations and at 5000 it makes alot of vibrations.

I was informed that the engine and exhaust noise is normal as the revs increase.
My question is about the vibrations.
How must the vibrations be if the engine is out of balance.
The vibrations is not like asif the front wheels are out of balance and whole front is shaking it is more like when you have a small hammer drill (Not the big heavy duty ones, but one of those that you buy at a hardware store)and you are busy drilling into a wall with the hammer drill. This is the only way I can explain the vibrations.
Is it not the harmonics of the engine?
I would like to balance the engine but this is the maximum revs I will use as we do not have a race track and I mostly will use it on the roads and rev it a bit hard.
I do not want to spend money that I can use for something else, for example buying a 5 speed gearbox .
Can I drive the car like this or will it later give me problems or cause premature wear.

Posted on: 2005/10/11 9:12
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are you sure its tuned ok, Sounds like a miss to me

Posted on: 2005/10/11 9:19
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sounds like a miss to me too.

some engines do this - technically it should be okay free-revving and holding steady, but generally i have found that (A12s especially) don't like being held at 5000rpm with no load.

let the clutch out though, and the miss disappears.

it could be dizzy float, it could be backlash in the dizzy gears, it could be your points - geezus there's a million things it could be. it could even be as simple as your coil is breaking down or a lead shorting on the rocker cover.

engines aren't designed to be free-revved so chances are they won't like it. rev it to 5000 in first and hold it there and see if it smooths out. if not, then check for problems.

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Sorry guys.
I did'nt explain very clearly.
I never EVER free rev my cars.
I know it is bad for them.
I did the tests in first gear and second gear to see what happens in the rev range.
Never in neutral. The car is is perfect tune.
No miss. and the wheels are in balance. It is something with the engine.

What I forgot to mention.
My clutch was replaced a couple of months ago. They needed to give the flywheel a skim. Can this have caused the flywheel to be out of balance?
I was present with the skim process.
It was done evenly accross the whole flywheel and no step was cut into the flywheel.

Posted on: 2005/10/11 10:15
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Posted on: 2005/10/12 9:05
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it could be dizzy float,




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Pertronix Ignitor system installed

Sounds like a good place to be looking to me. Is everything securely mounted?

Posted on: 2005/10/12 9:23
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I checked everything on the engine.
I also checked the rotor cap and internals.

Everything is fine in the rev range but when I start to hit high revs (4500rpm) the engine starts to make small vibrations that gets more as the revs increase.
Basically as I explained in the previous post.
Like a hammer drill you press against the wall to start drilling. You can then feel the vibrations on your hand as you drill.
It is sort of the same vibrations.
I would just like to know if my engine is out of balance or if this is kind of normal vibrations maybe even harmonics coming from an engine that is not balanced.

What I am compairing to is modern cars of today. I drove the other day a volkswagen polo and the other day a Nissan Almera and revved them to 6000rpm 6500rpm.
They where nice and smooth. Am I wrong to compare a 25 year old car to new technology?

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theres no way i could be engine...I reckon its drive line like flywheel/pressure plate, or could be tailshaft

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Did you by chance select hammer instead of drive?

I wouldnt compare it to those vehicles.

Posted on: 2005/10/12 10:26
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I think it has more to do with the harmonics of the system
My stock 120y A12 does very similar to what your describing
Are you running a the stock or tuned exhaust?

Posted on: 2005/10/12 10:39
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