Dattodevil
The "Car Truck" has been available in the US since '57 when the Ford division released it's Ranchero. This is the name that they applied to the first real mass production ute in the US & it seems to have been used as a substitute for the term "Ford Ute"

In '59, the Chevrolet division released it's own ute & they called them "El Camino" [I hope i got the spelling right] Like Ford, this seems to be the substitute for 'Chrev ute" & these two names have stuck.

These were always passenger car based designes, so they were Passenger Car Derivitives, & not based on a true commercial chassis.

Both model lines remained in production for many years, but i do not know if they are still being made

All 4 wheel drives are the same, if you stick to that line alone.
All it says is that the vehicle being refered to has a 4 wheel drive capability, regardless of the type of vehicle it is fitted to. If the 4 wheel drive function is a permanant one, say, as in Suburu models, then it is generally accepted that we would call this an "all wheel drive vehicle", again, regardless of the vehicle type.

The term "4 wheel drive", [sometimes reduced to "4x4"] alludes exclusively to this selectable mechanical feature, however, since this feature is most frequently connected to a particular group of vehicle classes, many people incorectly conclude that the term 4 wheel drive automaticly refers to this vehicle category.
In many instances, these 4wd chassis are fitted with either passenger or commercial bodies. Land Rover would be an example of this

I am surprised that you would ask such a basic question.

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I dont think that its a double standard, just a different view from different people. So would you say a 4 wheel drive is the same as any other 4 wheel drive???

I am looking forward to the answer to this one!!

Cheers

Blair

good to see we're all coming out of this o.k.
sorry if i offended anyone. i figured that if anyone would know more on this topic it would be the organizers, so i posted what they sent me. If you don't agree with it, maybe you can at least accept it as what the organizers would define as a "ute". You must admit, if they did agree with dodgeman, calling the event "dog in a ute, trayback, pick up, flat bed, or whatever else you have that isn't a semi, sedan, or coupe" would start to sound... at least odd.

I did have an American Woman in at work one day who said "Ohh, a Car Truck" which I guess compared to what they have over there would be

I don't know about a single word, but collectively, they are all "commercial vehicles" [two words], in the same way that sedans, coupes, convertibles, roadsters, tourers, et, al. are all "passenger cars"[also two words]

Each one of these diferent passenger car designs has it's own identity, which no one seems to question. So why do we have so much trouble applying the same standard of individual identity when it comes to commercials? Thats the part i have never understood. The double standard.

P.S. At various times, those commercials that are directly based on a passenger car model, like our Datsun utes & vans, have been described as being "commercial car" models.

So in a word, what would classify all these types of vehicles that had shown up at the event, besides utility?

dattodevil
Your appology is accepted, & i, in turn also extend my appology to you for having taken offense un-necessarily.
You unhappily got me when i was just a bit "testy." I'm sorry.

I have spent all my life trying to learn ever more & more about my favorite subjects, & it goes deeply against my grain to see the progressive dumbing down of the world around me. People who can't spell even the simplest words, or add up 2+3, just because they don't want to, leave me cold.

People who express opinions that are just made up conveniences, & not based on any real level of knowledge of their subject, & who then expect me to respect that opinion, will be sadly dissapointed.

Well reasoned, & well researched opinions are always eagerly sought out by me, even if they ultimately prove to be wrong. Hell, i have got it wrong heaps of times, but the thinkers are worth their weight in blue mouldy cat sh## & i love 'em, even if a clash of personalities sometimes distracts from the subject[s].

As a serious automotive enthusiast i see this dumbing down at it's worst in this ute debate, & it quite obviously gets right up my nose.
There must be at least a dozen categories of open back commercial vehicles out there, each with it's own name or description, & to see them all summed up as utes, because of ignorance or laziness just lights my fuse. This is a mistake that Hot Rodders dare not make as several categories of these commercials were available on the same chassis, at the same time. [Model A's were available as both ute's & pickups] No room for blunders here.

To dazzasute
I appologise to you also for the level, or intensity, of my tirade, but the logic in your post proved to be a red rag to a bull, & the last line was the metaphoric cattle prod that set things in motion.
I ask only that when you offer up an opinion on a subject, that you try to perhaps do just a little homework first. We all get it wrong from time to time, but i just couldn't let that one pass. Sorry.

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This was mean't as a compliment otherwise I would Have said most knowing dodgeman, but you probably would have taken offence to that too. I am amazed at the amount of time you spend on homework and the knowledge that you hold, I wish I had the inclination or incentive to do the same. I was just wondering your stance on my previous question, I know a bit off topic but Still it regards "definition".

I apoligise if offence was taken.

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Mate, Now I know that your opinion(got the right spelling now LOL) matters to you and like wise my opinion matters to me, I do feel that you are trying to force your opinion on to others. But come on now, its just a ute, just like its just a coupe or a sedan or a wagon. They are all have motors and we all love'm. I value your opinion and I know others do on this site, also I see that this topic has got your goat up, which I can understand, but please dont belittle others thats just not friendly.

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I am not trying belittle Australian's as I dont think that other's are trying to do that either.