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Hello, first my English is not to well.
So sorry if it is hard to read my storie and questions.
It`s easyer for me tor read than wright.

I `am Ronald and i`m living in Holland.
I just bougt an 1976 120y.

My plan is to make i`t a drag car for amateur use here.
I came on this site true google.
I want to know what kind of engines is possible to place in the car?
It has to be driveable on the road to.
The intension is not to have 400bhp or so.
With 200 it is enough for amateur use here.

What kind of engine do you recommend?
And what kind of gear box and rear axlle is most common with this kind of cars?

There are a lot of pictures on this site about dragracing, but ik can not find any project topic about building this kind of car .
Maybe you people can help me out with some links and some tips and trics.

I hope you can understand my English

Here is a phot of the car i bought, i will pic it up next week.

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It has 68.000 km on it original. The interior is l100% new.
Only the right side of the car is al little damage . Nothing to be affraid of. He needs an new fender ( got it form the owner) and the door had to be repairerd.
The car wil be painted white when i`m finished.


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CA18DET, 13BT,FJ20,SR20.

However if you only want 200HP. Just a NA PP 13B might be the go with an auto gearbox.

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ca 18det was i already thinking off, i used to onw a 200sx s13 . Had 289 bhp .

But wat is a 13b kind of engine?
And why do you say an auto transmission?
Why not a usual 5 speed gear box?

Do you have any information and pics of putting a ca18det in my car or any of the 13b??

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A 13B is a rotary engine from a RX4,Rx7 ect.

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And why do you say an auto transmission?
Why not a usual 5 speed gear box?


If its going to be for drag racing you might find it cheaper to go that way rather than use a manual gearbox.

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Do you have any information and pics of putting a ca18det in my car or any of the 13b??


Do a search and you'll find tons.

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basically any 4 cylinder engine will fit comfortably. There are photos here of 6 cylinder engines in 120y's as well as a v8!

I'm not too sure what kind of engines you have in holland. Find something that is reasonably cheap, has a reputation for being strong/reliable/powerful, with plenty of avaliable performance parts.

An SR20DET would be nice, and it would quite easily make the horsepower your chasing, with plenty of potential for when the bug bites, and you need more power. CA18DET is cheaper to source (in Australia at least) but requires a bit more to get the same amount of power. These are among the most common swaps into datsuns in Australia, but maybe you have another motor there you could use?

Just make sure that any swap you intend to do is legal if you intend to drive it on the road, and make sure you have the money and the know how to finish the project.

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Ca18det is easy to find here, but does the transmision fit in the datsun?

And do you use the original rear axle from the datsun or another one from another brand?

The know how about fitting a engine is not the problem. I`am working as a mechanic for over 12 years now.
But the datsun is not a car that drive`s offten in Holland.
There are not many of them, zo that`s why i asked these questions here.
So its not to hard for me to sort out everything my self . Because you guy`s have don it allready.

In Holland are not many rear wheel drive cars .
Only, 200sx, ford sierra or a bmw.

I think the best option is for me to take the 200sx engine and gearbox.

I will try to search for more information on the forum.
But if someone has some tips or links for me, i will apriciate it.

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basically any 4 cylinder engine will fit comfortably. There are photos here of 6 cylinder engines in 120y's as well as a v8!

I'm not too sure what kind of engines you have in holland. Find something that is reasonably cheap, has a reputation for being strong/reliable/powerful, with plenty of avaliable performance parts.

An SR20DET would be nice, and it would quite easily make the horsepower your chasing, with plenty of potential for when the bug bites, and you need more power. CA18DET is cheaper to source (in Australia at least) but requires a bit more to get the same amount of power. These are among the most common swaps into datsuns in Australia, but maybe you have another motor there you could use?

Just make sure that any swap you intend to do is legal if you intend to drive it on the road, and make sure you have the money and the know how to finish the project.

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The diff probably wouldn't last too long. I have a 120y diff in my ute, but i wouldn't expect it to handle much more power (I have a standard 200b motor in the ute, 2 litre) It may work for a while if you take it easy, but if you intend to drag race, definately upgrade. I don't think there is much in the way of straight swaps. You may have to get one cut down.

The transmission requires a bit of chopping to get it into a 1200, i think it be easier to put it into a 120y (I think...) Its not too hard, as long as you have a grinder a welder, some spare sheet metal, and a brain

Here is what i had to change on my car. the shifter hole was moved about 200mm back, and a section was made higher.
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Hi Ron from Holland, your english is better than most Australians who own a B210.

If you can find a SR20DET 200sx, using it's engine and gearbox would be the best way, if that is a legal swap in your country.

The s13 CA18DET gearbox bellhousing is slightly smaller than the SR20det gearbox bellhousing. But the gearbox is the same. Except the CA18 one has a slightly different 5th gear.

We shorten the diff housing from bigger cars in Australia, but in Europe with the tax laws, you don't have many to choose from.

Good Luck with your conversion.

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Thanks for the responses,
I must say that it is a nice sociable forum.

The Ca18det engine is certainly an option, the only problem is that it is no reliable engine. The problem is that this engine expensive is in the Netherlands.

Komplete engine will cost 2000 euro compleet with gear box and wireloom.

My 200sx I owned, I bought for 700 euro, which is also approximately the price I want to spend on this type of engine. Sr20 here entirely expensive, approximately 4000 euro for a good engine kompleet with all parts for a swap.

What kind of diffrentieel you use most? American v8 perhaps? And shortening what you do, are that rather simple? I understand that the outside house shorten rather easy will be, but the internal axels in the housing will be difficult to shorten. Do you have no website`s rellated with clear foto`s of these activities? A welder and cutter i have. However, now only i need thel knowledge do it.

I did this with a translation program, so maybe this is better now.


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Many Australian Datto owers use Diffs from box-like commercial vans. Also use diffs from bigger cars like the Holden Commodore which uses a Borg Warner BW78 type diff. The 4 door R31 Skyline also has a BW78 diff, so the parts are very common here in Australia.

Unfortunately, there are not many choices of big diffs from other cars that are narrow to suit a small Datsun without them needing shortening.

To shorten a diff, you really need to make up a fabricating jig, to hold the parts together while you cut and reweld them.

For shortening the axles, this normally means getting two long side axles from your choice of diff, and shortening both, to provide enough diameter on the axle to cut a new spline. I cut new splines on axles using a milling machine, but it uses about $50-100 in cutting tools alone to complete the job, as cutting the splines on the hardened steel axle is bad for the tungsten carbide cutters.

If you are looking for a cheap alternative, finding a Z18et and using a Datsun 610 (180B) crossmember in the 120Y would make it a direct fit.

Given your remote location (from japan) and limited tools/equipment, you might be better to find a L20B and get dual webers or consider some form of turbo system.

The translation software has more spelling mistakes, but it's quite easy to understand.

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