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The weight of the vehicle is supposed to be carried by the large hole in the wheel that fits snuggly over the machined part of the hub. The wheel nuts and studs just hold the wheel against the hub face so the weight is carried by that part.

By putting spacers in, all of the weight is then taken off this part and placed on the wheel studs (which often have to be lengthened) thus putting extra strain on them and exposing them to stresses that they were not designed for.

Spacers also alter the track of the vehicle and therefore all of the steering geometry. None of the factory settings for wheel alignments etc apply any more.

Thus spacers equals dodgy.

leagally cant be used but you can get spacers with the hub on there still that distribute the weight back onto the hub.

had a set of 25mm ones and you can also get 12,, bolt on ones.

still not legal but from an engenieering point of view, they are designed so the weight is not on the studs.

And that word 'illegal' is the key to it all.
If you are involved in an accident, even a little one, even if it isn't your fault, & if the police report shows that the vehicle isn't 100% legal [even if it IS 100% safe] then you have just gifted the insurance company their 'home free' ticket.

I say 'free' because they will use this fact to make themselves 'free' of any obligation to pay anyone so much as a brass razoo. [A valueless & fictitious coin]
When you sign the insurance papers, you agree to keep the vehicle in a roadworthy [= legal] condition. If we don't comply with our obligation, then trust me, they won't need to comply with theirs.

You pay's your money, you takes your chances.

yes illeagal is the word.

i dont justify the use of them but from an engenieering point of view not unsafe. They are legal in 2 states (well ones a teritory).


I know how insurance work dodgeman... glad your pointing it out to everyone else.

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I agree with what you are saying on many levels about the centre hub taking the weight. But please oh please show me a photo of a stock 1200 sedan, coupe or wagon diff with this hub that you speak of.
Fact is Datsun never put a centre on the hub. The hub doesnt even protrude through the brake hub. Now how about the hubs on the front of a 1200? hmmm

It would be interesting to see if the spacers and these wheels greatly affected wheel track. The wheel centre line determines track. The wheels need spacers because they sit in too far. Maybe correctly made spacers will retain nissans factory wheel track and deliver the weight load to the studs at the hub face just like nissan originally made it.

OK now, since I am in NZ and different laws apply to the use of bolt on spacers over here. So I know what I can and cant get away with for a WOF. So it will be all legal and FULLY covered by insurance and safe. So its NOT dodgey.

Like Steve said show me a rear diff with these hubs..... Also I agree with alot of what he has said about track width etc, these wheels have a FWD offset so to space them out would retain the track, well with in acouple of MM either way, which at the end of the day isnt a biggie, as adjustable camber tops and LCA's are also getting put on as well.

Monty is running an A15E...... with some work, I am not looking for a performance upgrade with the wheels, just after a different "Look". As I have said before, heaps of cars are now using the minilite style of mag, so I am just playing around with different idea's or "looks". I will end up still using the wats for doing trackdays, as the 15's would make it to big in the gearing for the stuff I do.

I will not have to flare the guards as they fit inside the guards, dont want to lower it anymore then it is now, really I want to raise it up a wee bit as its to low for my liking.

Also here is acouple of video's of what he sounds like and goes like on the track............


http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/B110/Monty/?action=view¤t=Monty2ndrun.flv
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/B110/Monty/?action=view¤t=24March2007001.flv
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/B110/Monty/?action=view¤t=24March2007002.flv

Sounds really nice mate, looks like it handles pretty well too. I like the video through the fence where you double back and go through the esses, cool.

Btw, stick with the watanabe's, paint them black for something different, but I wouldnt use those other mags, in my opinion they dont look very 1200-ish.

Love the videos mate. The one through the fence is cool. Your car looks and sounds great and it's good to see it getting used on the track.
Matty

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Isn't there a bit of a story about the end of that first video?