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#21
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
LAGWAGON
Posted on: 2009/12/8 5:13
some call it a crank girdle, and yup its cast iron. D you come up with some wacky ideas don't get too caught up in theory - a CA18det in a 1000 would hammer. 320hp at the wheels a series?! you might get away with running no girdle but i'm not sure its worth it. You could save weight in manifolds, good light (evo etc) intercoolers, maybe flywheel, you'd probably add weight with the alloy sump. all this taken into account (if its for the 1000) it'd probably struggle to go around corners well and all the tiny steering and suspension parts as well as the body itself might likely bend.
other than that its not a bad idea I saw your wagon out at the workshop the other day. why don't you show it off more?
#22
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
A14force
Posted on: 2009/12/8 5:46
Something else that may be worthwhile noting is if you use a DE block the absence of squirters will result in reduced oil windage and therefore more power. If you're going to knife edge the crank, I supose that would be less of an issue anyway. But it's still food for thought.
What car will this motor be going into? Although I understand how better weight distribution can make a tremendus impact of handling, (like seconds per lap on a race car) I think you might be making life harder than it needs to be for the sake of trying to be too clever. I think for what you're attempting to do here, the CA18 might be the wrong engine to use?
#23
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
D
Posted on: 2009/12/8 10:12
:))) its not for the wagon LOL.
That wagon just needs the handbrake connected but they wont finish it off yet. Mammi know the secret of the rear disc brake conversion so I left it with them since they did the homework I dont want to deny them the efforts. I will show it off on the next cruise for sure. how is your wagon going? its going to be a treat with the inj setup. Its going into a 1000 2 door sedan. I figure if I can get away with less 6kg lighter flywheel 6kg lighter crankshaft 3kg lighter manifolding 2kg alloy pulleys and hollow camshaft 3-5kg lighter head (yet to be confirmed) 1.5kg lighter alternator and starter (billet items) -3kg ? no ladder brace/ crank girdle / main bearing bedplate 2+ heavier winged alloy sump with reinforcements 118kg - 20kg = 98kg or about a15 weight territory The trick is also to use a lightweight gearbox instead of the stumpy 5 speed like the T50 someone on this site is trying to adapt. ![]()
#24
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
PIGDOG
Posted on: 2009/12/8 11:56
the DE bottom end is not really much different to the DET bottom end. pistons, oil squirters and the holes for turbo lines are about the only thing thats different
most people dont use the oil squirters when making lots of power anyway, as there is probably more important places for the oil to be
#25
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
D
Posted on: 2009/12/8 22:27
Thanks Nick, I heard the same from Honda drag racers.
I was thinking of notching the rods 2mm on the journal so they spit some oil in the bore and under the piston before getting work done on them. Coating the pistons will help with temp experienced with boost and LPG. I will weigh a twin cam head vs an sohc for my pedantic weight reduction project. (for those wondering Im now lighter than when in my teens thanks to my ball and chains cooking :)
#26
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
Posted on: 2009/12/9 1:36
i was going to say fibreglass front end D but the 1k already has paper panels as is
and lucky you have a ball and chain, i just got the chain, she took the rest.
#27
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
ddgonzal
Posted on: 2009/12/9 2:01
Why not just fit a GA18DE?
#28
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
D
Posted on: 2009/12/9 2:10
LOL I knew Mik the heavier bit was gone from ya!
DD love to but gearboxes are non-existent except for the rare A sereis 5 speeds. Also the qg18de is the bigger brother of the ga16de which is what I think you meant? They are coming into wreckers now with low klms and crashed.
#29
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
Mildman
Posted on: 2009/12/9 8:16
Hey D do you mean Mammi Motors in Somerville?
#30
Re: Lightweight CA18 - need your input from CA18 freaks
a_stupid_name
Posted on: 2009/12/9 8:43
instead of doing all that fiddly #OOPS# and spending heaps of money on it, just put a rotary in it.
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