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120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
Shifty
Posted on: 2011/2/10 3:13
Hey kids
My 120Y is one of the later models so it came with the larger diff. It held up fine at 250rwhp but as I've just revised a few things I'm expecting a little over 300rwhp so figured it was time to look at an upgrade! After an initial tip-off and lots of research, I established that a H190 (RWD 720 ute) was the way to go. Be aware there is also a C200 diff available in the later RWD 720s but this is NOT the one you want as it is much too wide. While the H190 also isn't the ideal diff in my opinion (particularly as LSDs are basically unavailable), it's a nice blend of strength vs weight/size, it's almost the perfect width and it drops straight in. Yep, you heard that right kids! :) Obviously there are mods needed to the tailshaft, brake lines, etc but the expensive/annoying part is normally getting a housing shortened and mounts changed over. It is only a small amount wider than the standard diff; with brakes removed it's 1230mm from flange to flange and you can see here (a) the diff in place with NO modifications and (b) the diffs lined up next to each other. I can't remember the exact difference but it's bugger-all, something like about 25mm per sie and you have heaps of room to work with under 120Y guards. If you are concerned about the increased track, a FWD-style offset would bring it back to just about standard width. The 720 utes run 6-stud axles & drums, and you can either run stock 720 rims (or other 6-stud rims) or look at changing the stud pattern. Most people would just redrill the drums & axles but personally I'd like a better solution than that, and am looking at adapting 910 axles and brakes (either discs or drums, depends what I find on short notice).
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Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
Shifty
Posted on: 2011/2/10 3:17
Another couples of pics for interest's sake.
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Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
Shifty
Posted on: 2011/2/10 3:19
As a side note, a bluebird H190 is no good as it is the wrong width (by far) and I'd imagine the mounts are different also.
If anyone can however assist with locating cheap/free Bluebird H190 brakes/axles/backing plates that would be fantastic, and I'd be happy to continue the walkthrough with pics :)
#4
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
clyons8
Posted on: 2011/2/10 3:54
Nice work Shifty, I think 25mm each side is a fair bit but it's close enough hey.
The H190 is a big bugger but at least you have alloy housings available if you want to lighten things up a bit, it should be plenty strong for your setup. The LSD's are hard to get but not as rare as the H165/H145 (or am I wrong?) I read somewhere that if you were lucky you might find one in a 4wd 720??
#5
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
PIGDOG
Posted on: 2011/2/10 4:15
seems that its the same width as the 1500 diff (which comes with alloy housing)
Bluebird axles will be a fair bit to wide, and will need to be cut down and resplined, but i dont know if they are wide enough to clear the undersized part also the 720 and 1500 wheel bearing arrangement is much different to the normal passenger car wheel bearing arrangement. being that they use tapered bearings with adjustable preload all contained in a bolt on "hub" kinda thing the axles are also threaded at the wheel bearing for the adjustable collar so to use bluebird axles you would need to cut the ends off the diff and weld the bluebird style ends on to allow you to use bluebird wheel bearings. and if you were doing that its not much of an effort to cut the diff down to 1200 width another option i was looking at if the axles werent going to be long enough to allow resplining was r31 axles. they are big enough to be resplined to the h190 spline even in the undersized part of the axle but you still have the problem of the different wheel bearing setup on the 720 diff. so still need bluebird style ends and then you need to find a wheel bearing with bluebird bearing OD and r31 bearing ID, then same deal with the seal as bluebirds have it on the inside of the bearing and r31s have it on the outside im wanting to go down this path for the 1200 wagon, bluebird h190 with alloy centre to shed some weight compared to the r31 diff i have now but from looking at the 1500 diff it seemed easier to start with a bluebird diff and cut it down compared to making a ute diff work with 4 stud but i also couldnt work with the increased track in a 1200 as the guards arent as forgiving as in a 120y they are however a good "bolt in" diff if you dont mind the track increase and 6 stud
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Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
datsa73
Posted on: 2011/2/10 4:44
#7
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
Shifty
Posted on: 2011/2/10 21:12
Quote:
320 I'm not sure offhand what the 320 was, but those axles look like an issue waiting to happen... they look like about 15sp? Unless they're the ones you replaced. Quote:
Aware of the issues with the bluebird axles/bearings, but until I have a set with the diff it's hard to know 100% the best course of action. I may retain the standard axles and just re-stud them, although again until I have everything together to make sense of it all I'm just guessing. Curently my plan is to get some BB axles, suss them out and if they aren't something I can adapt fairly easily then I will turn down the centre of the 720 axle flange and restud it to 4x114.3, and run four-stud brakes (probably 910). More pics when I piece stuff togehter :)
#8
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
A14force
Posted on: 2011/2/11 7:11
Could you please be a GC shifty, and take a drum to drum measurement?
#9
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
D
Posted on: 2011/2/11 12:38
datsa73 they are some thick splines!!!
#10
Re: 120Y H190 upgrade (with pics)
datsa73
Posted on: 2011/2/11 17:21
Yes, I was curious why datsun made these axles. 13 splines and they are thick. The axles are beefy. The diameter measures 29mm.
Would anybody have an idea what the BW/H190/Ute H165 axle diameters are? You can view topic.
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