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#OOPS#s sake dude, forget engineering, you are in Victoria, take advantage of club registration.
Sikyne's setup sounds like the hot tip, that frankenstine L16 20z abortion sounds like noyhing but a nightmare. d has all these wonderful stupid oddball out of the square over engineered rediculas backyard ideas but rarely follows through with any with real results.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 11:25
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Nickmitty, no need for "O" rings for that sort of power.
Just new standard cast pistons and a set of moly rings, standard rods and crank.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 10:29
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PM sent ruredi.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 9:26
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nickmitty wrote:
Hang on ruredi: what your saying is it's cheaper to engineer a 1600 than a 2 litre ?? Doesnt power to weight come into it ? So your saying I can stuff a SR16 into it cheaper than L20 motor ?? So on that LZ Hybrid, I can get a old L14 block and do a hybrid even cheaper ?? Or if you could find 1, an L13 and not engineer at all !!
Hey mate, No I never said that I wouldn't have to engineer the car with an LZ Hybrid. In Victoria you cannot engineer/register anything bigger than a 1.8 turbo these days (without great difficulty and/or money). The idea of putting an L20B crank is to stroke it out to a 2L but still be able to engineer and register. Using the L16 block keeps weight down and keeps the L16 engine number for ease of engineering.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 8:14
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Yeah your right.
I guess I really need to ride in a worked A series putting out the kind of power I'm talking about to really make up my mind.
Simon seems the resident A series expert and I've met him in person and he surely doesn't seem like the type of guy that doesn't give it to you straight.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:54
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Hang on ruredi: what your saying is it's cheaper to engineer a 1600 than a 2 litre ?? Doesnt power to weight come into it ? So your saying I can stuff a SR16 into it cheaper than L20 motor ?? So on that LZ Hybrid, I can get a old L14 block and do a hybrid even cheaper ?? Or if you could find 1, an L13 and not engineer at all !!
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:54
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I still believe the lz is not worth the effort. Mark got his normal l20b did efi and turbo on that and had great power on tap in his 180B. Simon knows this car too I think.
Turbo L series or just go z18.
Otherwise A series turbo will be fine.
One thing I believe and I spoke to Simon with is I don't care about power figures or totals. Drive ability tune and torque curve more important as these put a smile on your face.
On simons dyno mine only put out 50kw I think but it outs smile on my dial, now with Cam feels more easily need a tune again to check.
Depends if you want to chase figures or chase fun. From what you write I think you want more smiles less figures.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:39
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you forgot to mention o'ring it too
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:31
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sikyne wrote:
A12 is all that is needed for 150Hp ATW. They are cheap and everywhere. Id recommend the H89 head and double springs, a good cam and some ARP head studs.
Thats all that is needed for the power you are looking for.
Its probably about $1200 to put one of these together yourself. That includes all machining.
The new MS3 Pro ecu is out now, and is a very good thing. These are $1150 including a loom.
Costs would work out something like:
Engine $1200.
ECU $1100.
Ex Manifold $350.
In Manifold $500.(inc rail +fittings)
Injectors $200. (new seimens 600cc)
Fuel pump $210.(new bosch)
Sensors etc $300.(new 3bar delco,water&air temp,2xGT101`s for cam & crank triggers, and SH TPS)
New turbo $1100. (garret GT)
Extras $1000. For hoses, belts, fittings, exhaust, oil,filters etc.
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$5960
Heaps could be saved by using a SH turbo, making manifolds yourself and using used sensors and SH fuel pump. If you want to buy an SH ECU, Avoid Wolf, Microtech and anything older than about 10 year old unless its Motec.
A SH Motec would be fine ie, M4 or M48 (about $1000)
The new MS3 Pro is great value at $1100 tho.
BTW dont buy SH injectors.
Hi Simon, Thanks for the reply. My ute already has the A12 in it so I'm not sure if your price of the $1200 included that engine itself or not? With that combination would the crank, rods and pistons be standard new items or would you bore it out and freshen it up at all?
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:28
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What's a LZ Hybrid ?? Can you explain in more detail ??
Original LZ Engine I believe was a highly developed Works Competition Engine that was succeeded by the FJ. I doubt you or I will every see one in real life and I'm sure it would cost a small fortune or one of your extremities. I was (sort or still thinking about) doing a mock-up if you like (i.e. "Hybrid"). "D" originally put me onto the idea and I have done a bit of research on multiple forums and it seems to be a nice package. Would consist of L16 Block bored to 85mm L20B Crank L16 Rods Z20E Pistons Z18ET Timing Case, Head, Manifold and all turbo and injection gear. 1952cc and still retains L16 Block and numbers easy for engineering.
Posted on: 2013/3/11 7:24
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