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Ok, this will probably sound stupid to you guys, but, will my stock trans on my 73 coupe(A12)fit on an A14? Also what kind of vehicles(US)did the A14 come in? Any info is appreciated.

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yep shall do, pretty much anything from any a-series motor will bolt straight up to any other a-series as they are very very similar in design

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Just make sure you get the right clutch disc as there were different spline counts on different transmissions.
Of course, I'm quoting "conventional wisdom" again and will probably be proved wrong. That seems to happen to me a lot here.
Now, I have a question for you. Why stick with the four speed? B-210s and 210s were available with five speeds and A-series engines.

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that was actually my next question dimlight. This stupid car(and every other one I've seen in cali) have a freakin' automatic. my question is ,when and if I do find a manual 4 or 5 speed, how bad would it be to convert it over? None of the junkyards around here have these cars. I've seen several 200sx's, sentra's, and maximas. Could I use the trans and linkage out of one of those?

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A14 engines came in B210's,210's and f10's(F10 is a FWD,so the engine is positioned sideways).
!200 came with A12 engines.
Some B210's came w/A13 engines.
Some 210's and 310's came with A15 engines.
In England ,Australia,and New Zealand the B210 came ,at least at the begining, with A12 engines,hence the name 120Y. In US,the B210(120Y) never had an A12 engine,only A13,14,and perhaps,the B210GX had an A15 with 5 speed.
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Oh, I see. You're going from an auto to a manual. Well then, you will want to look for a B-210 (73-78) or a 210 (79-83) as they would have A-series engines, rear wheel drive and 5-speeds as an option.
Here I go quoting "conventional wisdom" again: the automatics and the five-speeds use the larger output shaft, I'm not sure on the later four-speeds. A 1200 four-speed uses a smaller output.
Since you have an automatic car, you are one step closer for a five-speed swap. Of course, if you get the driveshaft from the same car as the transmission, you should be ok.
Unless you want to swap in a different engine, which isn't uncommon, you'll want to avoid cars other than the B-210 and 210. The other cars you listed either have different engines (read incompatable transmissions) or are front wheel drive.
Flywheels seem to be the same and Centerforce makes a clutch and pressure plate combo for the B-210 so you're good there.
Um, I guess that's about it. Except that I've been told the 210 station wagons have the non-dogleg (first gear to the left and up) transmission. I can't verify that as I have always used the dogleg (reverse left and up with first left and down) tranny.
Hope it helps and didn't confuse you too much.

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74-82 B210/210's had a very similar 4 speed transmission as the stock 1200 4 speed, just a little bigger in dimensions. They all used the same style clutch. 77-78 B210's (usually the GX model) had the super heavy duty dogleg 5 speed with larger input(24 spline x 1") and output shafts, these transmissions require a different clutch disk than the other transmissions, and will only fit into an originally automatic 1200 without too much modification. It won't fit in an originally 4 speed 1200 without some modification to the transmission tunnel. Easier 5 speeds to find are from 79-82 210's (sedan, coupe, and wagon) and they are almost identical to the 74-82 210 4 speed transmission, so you have to make sure to feel for that extra gear or look at the shift knob to make sure it's a 5 speed. These 5 speed transmissions use the same clutch and have the same input/output shafts as the 74-82 B210/210 4 speed and stock 1200 4 speed. They aren't as heavy duty as the dogleg 5 speeds, but they hold up pretty good and are fairly easy to fit into any 1200. If you have a stock automatic 1200, I would suggest trying to use the dogleg 5 speed if you can get one, otherwise go for the later, smaller 5 speed, they're usually a dime a dozen at junkyards. To swap to a manual tranny, you'll the the clutch/brake pedals, from a 4 speed 1200, a slave cylinder, and a clutch master cylinder and related hydraulic lines on top of the tranny, the right driveshaft, and some kind of fabricated transmission mount. It isn't the easiest project, but it isn't too bad. Good luck!

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The 5-speed (either kind) is much stronger than the 1200's four speed. But if you're easy on it, it should live behind an A14.

> 210 station wagons have the non-dogleg (first gear to the left and up) transmission.

Yep, that's right -- at least I got mine out of a 210 wagon (I think it was a 1980). The clutch spline was different from my A14's clutch, so I used the clutch disc out of the 210. The driveshaft bolted right in (either the one from the 1200 or the one from the 210 -- that was about 13 years ago ... it's getting fuzzy).

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Once again, you guys sure don't disappoint.lol.
I'm gonna go check out another junkyard tomorrow in another town. I'll probably have some luck there. Once again thanx for all the info. You guys are life savers.

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What I had to do to fit the dogleg five-speed in a four-speed car was, remove the three switch things on the right side of the tranny. They can be replaced, as in the holes can be filled, with air cooled VW oil drain plugs. (There might be enough room with the automatic unibody to leave them on.)
I then cut the sheet-metal transmission mounts off of the unibody and fabricated a crosspiece that just bolted through the floor.
Of course, with an automatic car, you won't need to do that since the mounts ALMOST line up. By that I mean they are just an inch or two apart rather than several inches away on the manual cars.
It isn't a swap for the faint of heart, but it isn't very difficult either.
By the way, you do know that A-14/15 engine mounts don't line up with the 1200 chassis, don't you? They sit farther forward.

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