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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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Harry, these figures are ATW(hubs) but without a gearbox. so its an engine test frame that bolts to a H165 diff via a tail shaft. Yeah, that inlet manifold wont helping things much with the big cam!

I put the 260@.050 cam in yesterday. I didn't do the springs as I wanted to run the cam in on the standard ones first.

I ran the engine at 2-3000 Rpm for about 20 mins to run the cam in before starting to push it.

I backed the gate back to 15Psi to start to get the fueling and timing where it needed to be. I had to remove fuel to 4K and ad fuel past 5500. This meant it must have been shifting more air past 5500Rpm. I set the rev limit to 6500. Encouraging signs..

Then went to 18Psi and bumped the rpm limit to 7200. timing at 24Deg, then 26, then 28. Power and torque increasing each time timing was added.
Unfortunately on the 28 deg, 18Psi run it lifted the head again and pushed a bit of water out of the radiator. I didn't try to do any more after that. I would have loved to get it back up to the 24Psi that I tested the old cam too, but looks like It will need studs for that(or at least retension the head!!lol).

Did some digging back through the logs to find an 18 PSI run at 28Deg with the old cam for comparison. Here are the differences.

STD cam, 176Nm at 5600(228Kpa) and 107Kw at 6300(222Kpa)

Big cam, 170Nm at 6300(222Kpa) and 120Kw at 7200(222Kpa), power still climbing set rpm limit.

I was hoping that it might come on earlier with the fresh intake charge being blown through into the exhaust manifold on overlap( a bit like antilag). This happened on the race car with this same cam but didn't on this engine. Could be the tuned manifolds or hotter exhaust being the difference.

If I was to make a recommendation based on the testing so far, It would be to use the standard cam and smaller turbo(R32-33) if building it for the street with these manifolds. The cost in later boost wouldn't be worth the extra power going to the larger R34 turbo on the street. The other advantage is you can use the smaller 880 cc injector located in the manifold, use unleaded and still make good power(around 80kw at 12Psi). This also allows intercooling.

I have been impressed at how much power the STD A12 head will make. I do think its good for 140+Kw with a cam and springs and the larger R34 BB turbo. I'd also recommend a new inlet manifold with four injectors pointing into cleaned up ports and head studs. Be good for someone that wanted to take it to the track etc, but would also need a gearbox upgrade.

Posted on: 2016/3/20 23:14

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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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So I guess the original build thread is a bit out of date now. As you seem to be not doing this to sell a kit, can we assume that the final product will end up as a DIY build thread and everyone will be driving 120kw a12 turbos?
Any chance of you producing a manifold at least? Out of the whole build, this is probably the most difficult part.
A step by step thread on the final product (as per the original thread) would be very useful.
Thanks for the effort, I am sure everyone appreciates your time and effort here as much as I do.
JD

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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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Wound the boost up a little with Ziggy here yesterday. Just to 24Psi. it made 136.3Kw and 118Nm. We also set up a pressure sensor in the turbo manifold to check it V's inlet manifold pressure. The exhaust manifold pressure is 4.5Lb less than inlet pressure all the way through the range(once boost comes on).
This pressure differential gives me confidence to put a hotter cam in it. It cost $160 for cam and followers to be reground and $70 for new double springs. $250 all up, includes gaskets to do the job. I have it all here, so will swap them over when I get a chance.


I reckon the stock inlet will hold you back on any gains from the cam - that's downright unnatural pressure differential!

I assume these figures are at the engine?

You might have to go into business on your 71 series boxes to A banger conversions mate! lol With the cost of A series 5spds, it might even be viable?

Posted on: 2016/3/20 7:28
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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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It's approximately multiplicative. Say your cam gives you a 20% boost in power, and your turbo 100%, the overall gain is roughly 140%.

Posted on: 2016/3/20 2:00
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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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I'm so in for 14-15 lbs on my system.

Cannot wait to see the upside of a better cam.

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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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I thought yep Ziggies setup

A12 130+kws ??
just like a big fat pizza!
http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v ... 0Part%203_zpsg5hbjyco.mp4

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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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It is. D must have thought we were playing with Ziggy's ute. If I was, I wouldn't be talking about it in this thread. I do at least try to stay on topic :)

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A15? I thought it was turbo A12 as the title states?

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A15??? This is a stock A12 motor from eBay. Original round port head, head bolts, standard head gasket, inlet manifold etc. Just 1 injector pointing into the turbo compressor and a 40mm throttle body bolted to the original manifold.

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Re: Turbo EFI A12 for under $1200. Discussion thread
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interesting if thats an A15 with oval ports
If so the stock A12 still makes awesome numbers
for 300cc less capacity but maybe curve is less
steep on the A15?

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