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Re: Identifying gears and synchronizer hubs for FS5W60A
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Caliper isn't the most accurate but its close. Bought it at harbor freight. I measured the ID of the needle bearing cage. Posted 2nd, 3rd and 5th. I'll have to remeasure 1st and post tomorrow.

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Posted on: 2016/7/19 4:37
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Re: Identifying gears and synchronizer hubs for FS5W60A
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DD will get OD and ID data later on. Wanted to post some other pics for now. I did have 2nd and 3rd switched out and put them where they belong. They can easily be put in the wrong place. Diameters are the same. Also posted a pic of all the gears laid out. One picture shows a gap which is where the main bearing will go.

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Nice pics. Were you able to get needle bearing I.D. or shaft O.D. measurements?

Posted on: 2016/7/18 7:07
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Re: Identifying gears and synchronizer hubs for FS5W60A
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Well plunged down to 88 here in Ft Worth after 9pm, high today was only 96. 100's for the upcoming week. Just finished taking some pictures to post here. Glad I got this group here to check all this out. I think I have to swap 2nd and 3rd gear. Larger gear is a lower gear, correct? Also, according to the sequence diagram only one baulk ring for the overdrive/reverse synchronizer hub. Which is correct because the metal tabs that keep the spread rings in place in the hub does not allow a baulk ring on one side.

I dont see any wear on these gears or hubs. Amazing that this came out of a 1981 210 and its in this condition. This gearbox is really going to transform the driving experience of my MG Midget.

DD I'll wait for a response....Once I get confirmation to switch out 2nd and 3rd, I can reconfigure and take another picture if you want to post on Tech Wiki. Bearings are not pressed on yet.

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Re: Identifying gears and synchronizer hubs for FS5W60A
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I'm going out the garage now to reassemble my U/C 4 speed now as the temp has plunged to 102F

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Gears not interchange beween boxes synchro bulk rings tapped edges are diffrent sizes

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Thanks for the info DD. Didnt do any work on the transmission today. It is brutally hot here in Texas and slowly putting it back together. Maybe Sunday and will post some pics.

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That reminds me ...
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The synchronizer hubs are different for 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th. Any way to identify the difference between these two?
Yes, the 1st/2nd hub has a larger diameter, so it will slide of the shaft first. The 3rd/4th won't slide all the way up the shaft


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And no markings or stamp on the gears. Any way to identify the difference between the gears?
The gears are progressive larger O.D. 1st is largest, 3rd is smallest

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Dave I am painfully aware of the Hall Hewland box as I stupidly passed on one that PJZ offered for sale. I'm now kicking myself of course.

I haven't done the math on the gear tooth count but if for example 56, 60, 63 series gears fit on any mainshaft one could in theory get the gear tooth count you need on the main shaft then machine the cluster gear accordingly.......I seriously doubt parts are mix and match but one never knows.

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what the OD on the main shaft is? Namely at the point the gears ride on.


The main shaft is stepped in diameter to allow assembly of the bearings and splined hubs

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Starting from front of shaft, is the largest bearings, going on down in diameter

MAIN SHAFT HUB SIZES & GEAR BEARING SIZES
32601 H7301 3-4 splined hub
32264M H73 3rd gear needle bearing
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32264M H73 2nd gear needle bearing
32601A H73 2-1 splined hub
32264 67-H73 1st gear needle bearing
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32273 H73 25mm mid-shaft ball bearing (at sandwich plate)
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32264 H73 REV gear needle bearing
32605B H90 splined hub
32350 H90 5th gear needle bearing
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32275 H97 22mm end-shaft ball bearing

The H73 parts are probably shared with the 60L 4-speed, the H90 with the 60L 5-speed

I haven't been able to find the specs of the needle bearings

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