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SR20VE versus 3SGE
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Just a comparo but missing information if anyone can fill in the gaps?
Its interesting as the 3Sge is very plentiful in comparison to the VE

SR20VE

207PS 205 PS / 152 kW @ 7200 rpm
152 lbs ft / 206 nm @ 5200

Capacity 1,998 cc (2.0 L)
Bore x Stroke 86 mm x 86 mm
Variable Performance Mechanism Dual VVL?
Compression Ratio XX.?
Valve Material Steel-Alloy: ?
Intake Valve Diameter 30 mm
Exhaust Valve Diameter 34 mm
Included Valve Angle ?
Conrod length: 136.3mm
Weight:
later versions more hp had 70 mm throttle body (earlier 60 mm)

Block Height: 211.3mm
Crankshaft journal diameter: 55.0mm
Crankpin diameter: 48.0mm

Versus

3S-GE gen 5

210PS 207hp / 154 kW @ 7,600 rpm
22.0 kg⋅m (216 N⋅m) at 6,400 rpm.

Gen 5 Capacity 1,998 cc (2.0 L)
Bore x Stroke 86 mm (3.39 in) x 86 mm
Variable Performance Mechanism Dual VVT-i
Compression Ratio 11.5:1
Conrod length 137.8mm
Valve Material Steel-Alloy: Titanium
Intake Valve Diameter 35 mm
Exhaust Valve Diameter 29.5 mm
Included Valve Angle 22.5
Weight: The 3S-GELU was143 kg (315 lb) fully dressed (later Gen5 was lighter again)
Throttle body or bodies sizes no idea?

Posted on: 10/11 10:15

Edited by D on 2018/10/11 10:42:02
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My brother runs a Altezza gen 5 Beams motor in his Gallant .

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Nissan QR25DE More hp at lower RPMs than the BEAMS so you don't have to rev it up all the time

200hp / 149 kW @ 6,600 rpm
216 N⋅m at 5,200 rpm

Capacity 2,488 cc (2.5 L)
Bore x Stroke 89 mm x 100 mm
Variable Performance Mechanism NEO VVL
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Conrod length 143mm
Valve Material Steel-Alloy: ?
Intake Valve Diameter 35.6 mm
Exhaust Valve Diameter 30.5 mm
Included Valve Angle ?
Weight: QR25DE 150 kg (330 lb), within a few kg of the BEAMS

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Nick that is a fine looking Galant, I had one with an Saturn
1.6 with webers and pipes but struggle to crack 90hp atw.
Id love a GTO coupe with 6 bike carbed Debonair Saturn 6
It is basically an LY L6 just reversed in/ex. with 95kw
stock more hp than 1977 bmw first sohc M20 L6.
https://minkara.carview.co.jp/image.as ... 00e01.jpg?ct=358d4ec8222f
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3ae93b34dd ... 6x96zesw1u8imavo1_640.jpg


I should have put purely 2ltr comparo of high revs DD
the late QR25 is a fine motor but its vs Toyota 2.5 and 2.7
donks which are fine things and also can make 190hp and
more torque than the QR and thats only Toyota FE engine
not the GE sports versions which they didnt release but
its the preferred engine for all kinds of racing and won
2015 drifting world title vs mostly $$$$ v8 turbo engines
Now papadakkis was asked by toyota to build the 2018 corolla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw0Vkgasa70

The Beams seems to be easy for rwd as they are already
rwd in the lexus and altessa.

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Yeah the Galant started with a fresh Evo motor with Yamaha head but had a few issues with it , so he went for the Beams . He did infact look at a SR. The Beams had a double clutch but he went back to single . Came out OK finished and now has moved to another project.

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The QR is really inexpensive to pick up.

Local pallet motor QR25DE is $550.00 USD

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Nick is that Galant in Soufrika? also I understand why the Beams its
an easy beast to setup already rwd and here in japan I can get it for
around 400usd engine alone but why didnt he go 4g63? hp too low NA?

QR engine is also very ugly but someone like you Matt could dress one up
for the retro ocassion although quite a challenge, its very angular.
QR is lighter @ 121 kg 267 lbs and shorter length yet my tiny TVR AJP v8
using Al Meling`s F1 architecture and weight has double the hp / torque
sits lower in the bay, looks beautiful and has bugger all wiring.

On a good note for those after an A series 5 speed or QR rwd 5 speed I found
this by fluke which is the best budget option surpassing any other custom
gearbox conversion for any engine out there even for an A series.

These guys do any custom bellhousing cut/shut cheaply to a munchie so Chevy T5
must be used for compatibility and quote insert below from HAMB rodding site
also states the chev t5 has longer input shaft that must be trimmed but prob
what A series needs if going T5

http://www.mazworx.com/store/p/318-Bellhousing-Modification.aspx

Quote:
Hey all, I have been running a Saginaw 4 speed behind my Flathead using an Offenhauser adaptor. The transmission has blown and I am wanting to replace it with an S10 T5. Can someone please confirm that the T5 front bolt pattern is the same as the Saginaw/Muncie/t10 and will bolt to thisvbellhousing? As I am in Australia, and we didn't get this version of the T5 , I will have to import one. Thanks Adam ADAM F, NOV 15, 2013 SHARE POST#1 scrap metal 48 Member from Dayton,Ohio Yes it's the same but you have to drill the mounting holes to 1/2" and shorten the input collar and trim the input shaft.. I have pics of this if you search my threads...


Never seen anyone do this quality for this price on a bellhousing cut and shut
Mazworx would have save the custom scene many headaches years ago compared to
now where old cars are just much harder to find and modify due to their values.

Well at least the option is there for a T5 A series bellhousing, Take note Rallytwit! :)

Even for those after an RB conversion for their big hp SR the T5 option is a bargain.

Posted on: 10/15 2:12

Edited by D on 2018/10/15 2:27:49
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D. my brother is a Hemi / Chrysler nut in QLD. Bout every 2 yrs he finishes a project. Colts Gallants Sigmas and the more exotic like original Pacers, E38s upto E49s and E55,s. He did do a Viper V10 in a ute too. The Beams was the 1st time he strayed . He has a mate that imports front cuts from Japan and motors from USA.

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Nissan QR engine has RWD gearboxes, no need for an adapter

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Frontier box is a giant boat anchor doesnt suit old datsun lightweight philosophy

420hp 360lbs tq tvr v8 with t5 box weighs 90-100lbs less than a qr with a frontier 6 speed
that extra 6 gear wont pull it any harder in a lightweight datsun

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