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#22 Re: custom datsuns
phunkdoktaspok Posted on: 2005/6/22 8:46
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pro-240c wrote:

actually, the NHRA and the RTA/EPA have been working together and now there are minimum req's (chassis sizes, tyre sizes, engine sizes) for ALL hotrods and their associated year of manufacture.

a good thing to weed out the very disturbing trend of "rat rods".


Its good they are working together giving support to motoring enthusiasts. But there are vehicle class requirements.
In NSW you still have to fit into the STREET ROD class.( There is no Hot Rod class)
NSW defines a Street Rod class as ANY pre 1949 vehicle (see page 4) with 4 wheel hydraulic brakes that normally have a full chassis. You also need to be a member of a recognised club.
* You could fit a datsun to a pre 1949 chassis and get it registered but you would first need to find a registered club that would accept the vehicle as a street rod.
* You could also Register a Club with the RTA but you would have to also meet the requirements of a Registered Club.

I dont believe any of this will weed out the Rat Rod bandwagon hoppers.
How many unregistered vehicles are on the road?
How many rods are seen on the road with no engine covers or wheel guards?
How many www.DATSUN1200.COM members have modified vehicles that are engineered, noted to the RTA and noted to the chosen Compulsory Third Party Insurance Company?


The original idea in the begining of this thread talks of Drag and Circiut racing. Even an unregistered vehicle would have to meet the requirements of the Governing body for the chosen sport.
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#21 Re: custom datsuns
pro-240c Posted on: 2005/6/22 7:05
yeah i think we're arguing the same point now.

that website you sent me via PM has a lot of quality cars - minus the bling. i'm all for that - they're safe and well thought out.

but the latest meet at castlemaine there was an all steel, oxide red 27 delivery van with a 3in chop. the roof was still TACKED to the body at rather inappropriate centres and you could see daylight thru the gaps. given the vehicle is a full chassis so it shouldn't make a diff what body is there, but that is still WAY outta line.

i saw one car with HALF the bottom of the door rusted out - like so you could see the trim - trying to replicate a worn out salt flats racer with tall thin tyres and sh1tty steel farings.
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#20 Re: custom datsuns
sidedraught Posted on: 2005/6/22 4:42
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pro-240c wrote:
"rat rods" are very different from "grass roots" rodding of which you speak - even though both may involve holes in the floor to see the "grass roots"....

seeing a 22 "T" with rusted chassis rails, 4 wheel cable operated drum brakes, rust hols in the doors so i can see the driver's sock colours, crossply front tyres on wire rims and oh-so-horrid original steering with the only major mods being a 350hp 351C, a C4 and drop spindles makes me cringe - and it should make everyone else out the worried to even see that sh1t driving next to them. it's not only exceptionally dangerous to have a rusted chassis, but a rusted chassis that was orignially designed for a flathead fourpot making 22hp now has a 350hp+ engine in it.

grass roots rodding is getting a repro chassis with rack and pinion steering and disc front brakes, a cheap body (glass or steel) and having some fun with a low buck engine combo. my dad built something similar out of a 35 chev using a 253 and a torana front end. cost him about 10k on the road i think.

THAT'S budget rodding - not driving an assembled scrap metal yard and calling it a "hotrod".


Here in NSW all registered cars have to meet certain safety criteria, the vehicle you describe would not get a pink slip so would not be on the road any more than a rusted out Datsun 1000 with a worn out steering box, original brakes and an SR20 turbo under the bonnet would be.

I think the "disturbing trend of rat rodding" you are describing should properly be called "overpowered under braked deathtrapping" and there are many enthusiasts guilty of it throughout the car world, not just the rat rod scene.
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#19 Re: custom datsuns
pro-240c Posted on: 2005/6/22 4:27
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tens_and_twenties wrote:
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pro-240c wrote:
it's a 240C dude. about the same size as an XY Falcon.


And no strut towers. That's key


you'd think so wouldn't you...? i did
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#18 Re: custom datsuns
pro-240c Posted on: 2005/6/22 4:26
"rat rods" are very different from "grass roots" rodding of which you speak - even though both may involve holes in the floor to see the "grass roots"....

seeing a 22 "T" with rusted chassis rails, 4 wheel cable operated drum brakes, rust hols in the doors so i can see the driver's sock colours, crossply front tyres on wire rims and oh-so-horrid original steering with the only major mods being a 350hp 351C, a C4 and drop spindles makes me cringe - and it should make everyone else out the worried to even see that sh1t driving next to them. it's not only exceptionally dangerous to have a rusted chassis, but a rusted chassis that was orignially designed for a flathead fourpot making 22hp now has a 350hp+ engine in it.

grass roots rodding is getting a repro chassis with rack and pinion steering and disc front brakes, a cheap body (glass or steel) and having some fun with a low buck engine combo. my dad built something similar out of a 35 chev using a 253 and a torana front end. cost him about 10k on the road i think.

THAT'S budget rodding - not driving an assembled scrap metal yard and calling it a "hotrod".
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#17 Re: custom datsuns
sr12 Posted on: 2005/6/22 4:19
i wouldnt mind an EVO's running gear in a 1200 coupe. i think that would go alright
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#16 Re: custom datsuns
sidedraught Posted on: 2005/6/22 4:14
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pro-240c wrote:
a good thing to weed out the very disturbing trend of "rat rods".

Pro 240c, what is your issue with rat rods?

I really dig the rat rod scene and if I had more time and less projects would love to build one.

For me it is embracing the the original hot rod ethos.

Its about thumbing your nose at the new cars that we cant afford and building something up on the cheap with whatever parts are available that will still smoke em at the lights.

This whole site is really about Hot Rodding, its just that we are doing it with old Datsuns,and some of the Datsuns I have seen here are pretty rat.
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#15 Re: custom datsuns
tens_and_twenties Posted on: 2005/6/22 2:58
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pro-240c wrote:
it's a 240C dude. about the same size as an XY Falcon.


And no strut towers. That's key
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#14 Re: custom datsuns
tens_and_twenties Posted on: 2005/6/22 2:54
Move over here, you can build whatever you want!

IF you are outside the People's Republik of Kalifornia, of course...
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#13 Re: custom datsuns
pro-240c Posted on: 2005/6/22 2:39
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Dodgeman wrote:
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Freak wrote:
Pretty much a datto body with all the running gear of a hotrod. Registered as a hotrod you could get away with murder in terms of having to meet regualtions.
Sadly, it's not going to happen, at least not in NSW.
Unless the regulations have changed, a hot rod is defined as being a car, of American origin [with specific exceptions] that was manufactured up to the 1948 model year, that was originally constructed with a separate body & chassis.

None of our Datsuns can possibly meet the criteria. As for geting away with the regulations, i suggest that a quick chat with the registration Nazis will change your mind about that. The only catagory that allows the relaxation of some requirements is 'club' registration & the usage restrictions are substantial, to the point that many can't handle the limitations & opt for full rego with all the engineering reports & compliances. [& cost]

The Hemi belongs in the '33 coupe & the little KB10 deserves to have an engine thay actually fits the engine bay. I thought about the Hemi in the Datsun, but one look at the size of that Hemi, & i just forgot all about that idea pronto.


actually, the NHRA and the RTA/EPA have been working together and now there are minimum req's (chassis sizes, tyre sizes, engine sizes) for ALL hotrods and their associated year of manufacture.

a good thing to weed out the very disturbing trend of "rat rods".
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