I think this bloke has his knickers in a twist ( or too tight around his neck).

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that may stop them after awhile but most of the time they hoon in #### boxes they pick up off some centrelink scum who needs the money bad cause he spent his payments on the drugs and wants more
ive seen it first hand
my mate lost his license for 6 months or something for various things like burnouts DUI speeding cost him around 6000 in fines he had to take a loan out to pay it. he got it back now hes lost it after a month of having his license not sure if it was because of previos things or if he got busted for doing stupid ####
but the first thing he done wen he got it back was went out bought 3 cars and started doing burnouts out the front of his place he doesnt give a #### about the cars he only payed 200 for them
the whole system is ####ed and that is the way it will stay

Im all for affordable and accessible motorsport to cut loose hell yes, but u have to wonder why the guy gripes so much about ppl in the right lane and not other things such as tailgaters and textmessaging drivers, is itbecause they are in his way blocking him speeding.
Also the point about it being unfair to impound an expensive car over a cheapie shows he doesnt get it. If u are using your car recklessly continually u are endangering other ppl. Its taking that threat or weapon off the road.
If he understood that he could say its not the same thing to speed in a landcruiser as it is in a datsun because the landcruiser weighs 3-4 times as much so is more lethal to who it hits.

1. Yes there are some idiots on the road who deserve to lose their cars.

2. I've had my licence back for 3 months after losing it for speeding [10-20kph over a few times - ran out of points] Lesson Learned!!
I got sick of giving the goverment my hard earned $$ and walking to work so now I just do the limit everywhere. Pretty simple really.

as much as i am against the hoon laws (impound of cars), this should have been posted in the "have a sook thread"

that first post is not constructive at all...

perthute raises a few good points but some I think are completely wrong. Im a young adult male from sydney and just like most, I got my p's the day I turned 17. I done alot of stupid and dangerous things but pulled through it without harm to myself or some poor person from my local community. Im now a firefighter and every now and again I turn up to jobs which have been caused by "hooning". Im not saying this happens often or more often than other driver error accidents, but I bring this up as whilst working in the back of my mind im thinking, it could have been me. These accidents tend to carry more serious injuries and young people, its a huge shame. I used to think like you but have changed my train thought due to real experience, not solving these problems at the pub over a few beers. To compare fatality rates for hooning compared to DUI is outragous. They are both massive problems and unecessary and both require the attention of the government. People do go to jail for DUI, i would rather have my car taken off me for hooning. As for occasionally breaking road rules and speeding which I will tell you, I try hard but by no means am a saint. To think you are in control or being safe, you are living in a dream world. Peter Brock died in a car most likely sporting a big set of brembos and more driver qualifiied than perthute. This happened in a controlled enviroment. When your doing 80 in a 50 with no other cars around, your not thinking about some poor kid chasing his ball across the street.
You do make some very good points with licencing and media. You guys are right when saying its a few people who have caused these tough rules which is unfair on all of us. Lets hope the police can use a bit common sense whilst enforcing them.

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and have refresher courses throughout their driving life.

It's like i said Pete,there are lots of people with good ideas on how to fix the problem,but our leaders have a differant agenda,but are happy to leave the dirty work to people like you.Education & Training from early primary school (compulsory)for every child and covering ALL DRIVING skills right thru till year 12 is the only answer.

Mildman seems to me to hit the nail on the head. A few idiots spoil it for the majority. sadly, that's life.

Perthute raises a few good points.

But.....I'm not buying it.

I can only speak for QLD Laws with respect to "Hoon legislation" ( I should know it, I've been a Police Officer for a long time - long before the legistlation came in). Flame me as much as you like I've heard it all before.

I've been a car enthusiast for longer (see introduction).

I cannot agree with a person that defends someone doing 170kph on an open road - I don't care if it was Michael Schumacher in the worlds greatest handling car - you cannot beat the laws of physics (and believe me I've tried it, on the track - always with bad and expensive results).

In my time I have been required to give a parent the worst news of their life on a number of occasions.

Not a pleasant experience and not one to forget.

I have also comforted a few people during their last moments, even harder to forget. Like the 12yr old boy who was the backseat passenger when his older brother decided to test out the performance of the family Torana and wrapped it around a tree on a suburban street.

These type of incidents tend to give you a bit of clarity when it comes to the dangers of road use.

All I can say is education, both on how to drive and on the road rules (two very different issues) if you can have a good understanding you shouldn't have too many problems. If the Law in your state says you will lose your bike if caught doing a wheely on the freeway at 2am it's simple, don't do it!

If someone that competes in motorsport events frequently needs to carry on like a wanker on the street then something is wrong, not only would they be giving car entusiasts of all kinds a bad name they are also making it hard for the argument for new venues for motorsport.

My 2c.

-Pete.

The laws are there for the lowest common denominator - the rest of us sadly suffer for it.

I think some speed limits are ridiculous anyone with an ounce of driving ability could exceed them safely....but the rules are set for the absolute worst drivers on our roads in the worst cars....not the best.

More racetracks, more hillclimbs, more autocross, would be great, making it cheaper would be even better.