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#5 Re: A14 crank into A12 hybrid A12 A14 capacity
ddgonzal Posted on: 2015/10/14 8:43
I wasn't able to find the pic.

Datsun A-series engine and statically and dynamically balanced. If you change the pistons from small A12 slugs to large A15 parts, the balance should be redone. You don't have to, but to retain the smooth revving it is recommended.


#4 Re: A14 crank into A12 hybrid A12 A14 capacity
D Posted on: 2015/10/14 7:03
Any chance you know where that pic is of chris fitting the A14 crank into the A12 to complete the album above?

Most of the Nissan engines if not all are statically balanced so most get away with no need to re-lance the whole lot again although it does help!

I guess 76mm is much safer than 77mm and not a big difference in capacity but if going bigger sleeves with grouted bottom would be the go.


#3 Re: A14 crank into A12 hybrid A12 A14 capacity
ddgonzal Posted on: 2015/10/14 4:48
1434cc with A14 is achieved with 1.00 mm oversize (77mm) pistons. Most A12 block wont go that far, per Tsillay. The A12A can be bored farther, but that has the new-style motor mounts.

Fit A14 into 1200 car:
* Two flat plates for motor mount adapters
* Move the altnernator wiring
* Get it engineered

OR

Fit A14 crank into A12 block
* Use A15 pistons or custom pistons
* Use A12A rods (or have A12 rod small-ends resized)
* Get engine re-balanced (required whenever piston specs are changed)
* Get it engineeered


#2 Re: A14 crank into A12 hybrid A12 A14 capacity
D Posted on: 2015/10/14 4:24
cannot find the pic of the crank already sitting proud in the a12 block atm maybe DD can?


#1 A14 crank into A12 hybrid A12 A14 capacity
D Posted on: 2015/10/14 4:08
This is from Dodgemans effort and just here to illustrate for others that have Pmd me about it as Chris is no longer on these forums and his thread where awesome. Also due to stricter laws this engine in NA tune can be a sneak 1434cc in an A12.

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The benefits.
A. It allows me to install an engine of up to 1434cc without any structural mods to engine mounts at all as the 1200 block is a pure 'drop in'.
B. By using the 1200 block [with an A12 engine No. prefix] it reduces engineering approval dramas.

The parts.
Desireably, you would use rods from an A12A, or the short stroke version of the A13, but these are hard to get. The alternative is to have your A12 rods bored in the small end to take the larger wrist pin from the 76mm[+] pistons.
You will need pistons from the A15 engine as these are shorter in the crown height & should rise to be flush with the deck.
EDIT the pistons will need a small amount machined from the crown. Possibly .5mm.

The finished product will look like a "factory" built car [no home grown engineering] while boasting a sneaky 23% boost in capacity [from 1171cc to 1434cc] & it's ALL done with standard Datsun parts. The crank & pistons are the only modified parts, & surely a simple lathe job hardly counts as "modified"

I will post pics of my progress as i go along.

The stock A14 crank does not touch the 1200 block anywhere, the machining is done to ensure that it doesn't touch the bottom of the pistons when they are at BDC. You really need to ensure that the counterweights clear as the piston is at the top when the crankpin swings by. The simplest method of cleaning up the small amount of material that needs to be removed is to chuck it in a lathe. This process also removes a small amount from the web near the crankpin, which does no harm, but if you could find a way to clean up the counterweight without touching the crankpin side, then that would work as well.

I like the sneaky aspect of this engine as most would see it as just another dinky 1200 engine with twin SU's. Little do they know what lurks within,...Ahh-hahahahahaha



However on closer inspection is probably possible to avoid machining the A14 crank
if you use the more modern slipper type pistons with less skirt material which will
save 400-600 in machining and balancing. Have yet to look at a modern piston but will
most likely need to be 29mm comp height and flat top for NA and dished for boost.

The rod stroke ratio is fine for street rpm and even more but there is also a possibility
to use full sleeves for factory 81mm VW audi flat top pistons bushed to take A10 rods but
will definitely need crank machining on the areas mentioned above by Chris to clear pistons.
1587cc from an A12 would be nice though and very possible.






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