ok now i have been investigating methods to reduce (not eliminate) the issues with the increased track from the satnza strut conversion with help from other members.

a couple suggest redrilling x member for the lca mounts inwards slightly 10mm or so but upon measuring, the increase in positive camber and possible fouling of the lcas upon full travel against the x member may cause other issues.

Another member has been looking at hubs that may not be as wide, there fore reducing track slightly but still no deffinative answers.

a couple of others have suggested more castor to counter the track increase.

apart from swapping back to 120y set up, has anyone else tried things that have worked well, or reduced the track slightly. even if its 10mm per side.

i would suggest a different offset rims to decrease the track. dont go back to those horrible 120y setups,first thing i did with my 120 was throw in a stanza front end,and now that has made its way into the p-nut!

I use 15X6 Skyline mags that run a FWD offset. They clear all suspension components and keep the tyres inside the guards

mik, just finished the 120y conversion.

found a few interesting things while i had everything apart.

stanza, 120y, and even 1200 drum brake front end lca's are all identical in every way.
(shorter lca's will just give you camber and castor issues without HEAPS of adjustment on both)

its actually the offset of the stanza disc/hub combo that throws the track out.

another thing i noticed is that the nice bit of negative camber gained from the stanza's is simply because of the angle of the stub axle on the stanza struts. (nothing to do with longer lca's or anything like that as previously thought by some).


switching to 120y/silvia uprgade will give you a track width that is an overall 15mm wider than standard. less negative camber than stanza's but it will still be negative nonetheless if you car is lowered. vented brakes, and a lighter front end setup.

120y struts will still need shortening if your car is lowerd quite a bit, same issues with stanza front end. wheel choice is narrowed with silvia uprgade as you have caliper clearing issues and so far ive found that 13" steelies dont fit. 14's do and i reckon 13inch alloys will fit with the right offset.

a few points which may help your decision.

120/silvia upgrade worked well for me, the main reason for me doing it was becuase of my front guard rubbing issues and it fixed that so im happy. and the track width on my front end is no longer an eyesore.

Just a quick note.
Stanza and sunny lower control arms are definately different to 120y and 1200 lca's.
They are in fact longer. The late model 1200 ute drum brake front lca's are the same as 120y's, but not not the earlier type 1200 lca's.
The stanza and sunny look very similar to 120y and late model 1200 ute but if you put them side by side they are longer. If they are not, then you have another set of 120y or 1200 ute lca's, Full stop.
I run TRX rims and they dont stick out as much as the 13's i use to run.
You could try adjustable lca's, maddat or nexcent do them i think. But you will probably need strut tops as well to get it all tucked in like you want with proper camber ect.

I just had a quick measure to check. My 1974 (early) 120Y lca are the same length as the girlock stanza lca - about 308mm from centre of balljoint to centre of lca pivot. But they are definitely not identical in every way. the position of the sway bar link pin, and the bolt spacing for the castor rod are different. I didn't check the bolt spacing for the balljoint, and I didn't have any 1200 lca's to measure.

Another interesting thing is the 120Y steering arms are 15mm shorter then the stanza's, which means you'll have slightly faster steering with the 120Y arms.

my 1200 ute lca's were exactly the same as the sunny ones,EDIT: i actually used stanza lca's ,i also have a set of sunny's. its the length of the balljoint that is longer.
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and mine is a late model ute too. 81 drum front

well perhaps the stanza lca's that i have arent infact stanza.

my apologies. The lca's that came out of my 76 1200 ute (drum brakes), the 78 model 120y lca's i have and the lca's that i bought as 'stanza' lca's are all identical in every way.

obviously i was mislead.


anyway, im pretty sure maddat etc adjustable lca's are actually desigined to make them longer to give more negative camber. but if you had some that were shorter, and had heaps of adjustment in your strut tops aswell as adjustable castor rods that 'might' work.

yeah 1200 and stanza arms are the same lenght, but the main difference is the different bolt spacing for the balljoint
dont know about the castor arms thing though, as im using modded 1200 castor arms with my sunny/stanza lcas

120y stub axle angle is different to stanza, but it should actually give more neg and allow less wheel clearance

the track increase (without measuring) would come from the ball joint being longer/further out and the hub and what not also being bigger/further out

but i use TRX rims so have no trouble with excessive track width

well the track widt is what bothers me, tryes dont really stick out of front. Just when lowered did create some rubbing issues until i droped the tyre profile.

I also do have camber tops alread for neg camber.

I am using 13 x 6 0 offset rims a t present but had 14 inch et rims before, fine on front but erribel on rear. so bad that the decreas on the rear track made the car handle and understeer like a pig. its amazing how rim offset can effect handeling so much!

From reseach maddat are not available shorter, they give more length in fact.

I guess another option i have is more lenght for more neg camber to tuck the top of the tyre/rim under the guard more and protrude more from the bottom of the radius.

Would corner a bit better too at the expense of the inner tread patterns