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#1 datsun 1200 5 speed
fcinc Posted on: 2008/2/13 9:17
hi fellas just trying to find info on a-series 5 speed e.g.price and where i can get one


#2 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
bert Posted on: 2008/2/13 9:42
Best of luck,there as rare as rocking horse sh#@
Better off going with a Toyota conversion for the same money,and you won't break it!


#3 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
fcinc Posted on: 2008/2/13 9:51
they are hard to get... how did you go with you dato 1000 race car do you still have it


#4 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
bert Posted on: 2008/2/13 10:06
There not as hard to get as the Datto five speeds,and like i said you won't break them.
Keep sniffing around,a Toyo will turn up soon enough,just make sure you get a gear stick and tailshaft if you go down this route,cause they are VERY hard to get seperatly.
The race car was sold locally and has it's first proper run with it's new owner at Morgan Park(Warwick) this weekend.
I would have gone for moral support,but we are doing an Autocross(first time)on Sunday at Ipswich in our stock VB10,should be a bit of fun


#5 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
Dodgeman Posted on: 2008/2/13 18:23
If you're running a fairly grunty A14/15, particularly in competition, then the Toyoyoyo box is realistically the only way to go & as Burt said, they are almost unbreakable, but they are a bit big, heavy & power hungry for a modest, sports oriented 1200 street engine.

In this case, the 56A five speed could easily be the better choice, .... if you can find one, & if you can afford it when you do.
For a street 1200 with a bit more pep, the 60 series boxes are a better idea & they seem to be a little more common. [like two or three needles in the haystack instead of just one.]
These smaller gearboxes seem to be able to handle the lower torque output from the short stroke engines OK, but hot, longer stroke A14/15's just give them grief.

I have been rather fortunate in recently purchasing two of the 56A 'option one' competition gearboxes [F5C56A] & if that works out the way I want it to, my regular version of the 56A five speed [F5W56A] may well be coming onto the market, but don't hold your breath waiting, it won't be for a while if it does.

Does anyone know of a smaller & lighter, but still readily available 5 speed that can be adapted to the A series for use behind the smaller engines?


#6 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
fitzy109 Posted on: 2008/2/13 23:43
i have an A series dogleg 5 speed, that i may be looking to get rid of in the near future, but first i need to work out what im doing in the engine conversion department. what price range were you thinking?


#7 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
fcinc Posted on: 2008/2/13 23:54
thanks for advice champ ... ive found a "63a" dogleg 5 speed... what should i be paying... this guy wants $1950 FOR IT ... sounds a bit too much... should i get it or wait eternity to try and get a cheaper one


#8 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
Lemonhead Posted on: 2008/2/14 2:59
I have a 63a gearbox complete with spare extension housing, complete set of gearbox internals, slave cylinder, original gearbox mount and some other spares to go with it.

I haven't decided I want to sell it as yet, but if I did I would be hoping to get that sought of money for it.


#9 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
Mitch_photog Posted on: 2008/2/14 6:40
If any of you want to get rid of a 63, PM me, prefer a dogleg box... it will be going to a good home... my ute...

EDIT: I have a good A14 that I would consider swapping...


#10 Re: datsun 1200 5 speed
Dodgeman Posted on: 2008/2/14 8:51
The 63A gearbox, as far as I know, was used only in left drive cars when new, so just be aware of that.

It was made only in the dogleg shift pattern I believe, so that should be good, but at the end of the day, it, like both versions of the 60 series 5 speed, is really just a four speed with integral overdrive in fifth, unlike the small & light 56A which is a true 5 speed.
The overdrive 5 speeds were not really intended as a performance option but as an economy option but fortunately, with lower differential gearing, some satisfactory use can be made of them.

The 63 series gearbox design was originally intended for use behind the L series engines with their high torque & heavier vehicle weights. Even behind an L20B, which is the real torquer of the bunch, they seem to have no trouble, so behind an A series, they are [in most cases] both bulletproof as well as being too big, bulky & heavy to really be justified.
Their larger & heavier gears suck more power from the engine to turn them over than smaller ones too, so while the 63A is a bloody good box, an exceptional box, is it really justified in most cases?



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