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#1 how strong are a series 4 spds
sikdatto1200 Posted on: 2003/12/11 5:00
i am planning on running an turbo a15 probably putting out around 150hp. what standard a series gearboxes might be able to cope with this. how strong are the stock 4 spds in the 1200? Are the 5spds any stronger?


#2 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
phunkdoktaspok Posted on: 2003/12/11 6:33
I don't know if the 5 speed is any stronger but if you do break one your wallet has to be stronger.
I have driven many turboed A series dattos with 4 speeds ( never a 5 speed) and I have never broken one.
I have however broken 2 4 speeds ( one 2nd gear, the other 3rd gear)
one was in my 1200 the other in my 1000 both were natrually aspirated A12's

At the end of the day I wouldn't say they are a really strong box, they will last but it also comes down to how you drive


#3 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
Dodgeman Posted on: 2003/12/11 10:22
I have run an A12 GX 5 speed behind my big bore [76.5mm] 1200GX engine for about 15 years. I have driven it hard, but i do not abuse my cars like some do. These early 1200 / 120Y gearboxes, either 4 or 5 speed are the least strong of the range of A series transmisions.

Gearbox life will depend how you drive it. I have known blokes that i swear could break steel balls with a rubber hammer in a sandpit, while others can make the most fragile components perform well & live long & usefull lives. It's up to you.


#4 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
Demojob Posted on: 2003/12/11 10:35
I smashed a 4sp gearbox, with a mild A14 with twin SU's.

That day I had tuned the SU's perectly and had timing spot on, went for a drive took off in 1st gunned in then snapped second (and did just that)
I heard this almighty BANG then just the noise of loose bits of metal jingling around, I had almost stripped a cog on the cluster (I think)

So I'd go with a 5speed, but to save money in the long run go with a Celica 5sp conversion as it's cheeper to replace a celica box then to fork out another $1000 or so for another A series 5 sp

Well thats my 2cents

Damo


#5 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
Dodgeman Posted on: 2003/12/11 12:21
If you can buy, or make, an adapter for the Cillycar gearbox, then that may well be the way to go. These boxes are cheap & strong. The adaption may cost a few bucks, but i don't think you will break one with an A series.
A local racer uses one behind a VERY healthy A15 & it still lives.


#6 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
ddgonzal Posted on: 2003/12/12 7:20
The 1200 4-speed (56-series) was just strong enough. Nissan kept the weight down. NOTE: Nissan did not use these behind A14s. I broke my 4-speed soon after installing a stock A15. They were marginal for racing, so as noted here previously the racers were very careful with them.

The original 56-series 5-speed is probably no stronger. But the newer 60-series trans (4 or 5 speed) is considerably stronger. Nissan used them behind A15s. And the 63-series look to be one tough tranny.

Somebody said they thought the numbers were the distance between the two gearshfts.


#7 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
trickdat Posted on: 2003/12/12 8:31
just depends on how you drive, i have just fixed 2nd gear from booting in 1st then snapped into 2nd (sheared the hole top half of 2nd gear cluster) and thats with a slightly modded A14.


#8 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
1200rallycar Posted on: 2003/12/12 11:24
the 4-speeds behind a-14 sunnys are sposed to be stronger but im not sure in which way, i think the gearbox will take it, im bout to put together a turbo a-15 and havent thought twice bout the box, im a fan of dumping the clutch but not big burnouts, depends how harsh you are but i reckon that if ya break a box its more bad luck than anything


#9 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
Dodgeman Posted on: 2003/12/12 13:25
If you break the box, it's more bad management then bad luck.

Bad luck is when a major component has a manufacturing defect in it & it fails.

Bad management is when you dump a shock load onto a component that is beyond it's rated capacity.
My early GX 5 speed is getting loose as a result of over 150,000 miles since i bought it, & i ran it behind a big bore 1200GX. It still works fine but could use a major freshening up. If i don't go the CA16/18DE route, then i will rebuild it & use it behind the same engine, but it will be at 1434cc.

Respect your Datsun, drive it hard, but don't abuse it. That's what respect is.


#10 Re: how strong are a series 4 spds
1200rallycar Posted on: 2003/12/12 13:50
well id have to say mine was bad luck, it was fine, i took it out put it on another notor, and it was screwed when i ran the car

dunno what happened to it, dont really care now either



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