just wondering if any blokes in any other country heard about the 24 hour Bathurst race held in Australia over the weekend, won by a holden monaro (the car to be sold in america as pontiac GTO), not that this thing was anywhere near standard, it beat a few porkas a ferrari and a mossler

god dam stinkin holdens

I had'nt heard the results but I'm a little surprised that the Munro would win first time out.. I thought building a 7 litre Chev was overkill. It looks like with the new Boss 4V 350kW Falcon and the 427 Monaros we are in the middle of a new era of supercars.....

it all went to #### when thay made it all holden/ford i am hopein ford comes good with there new boss donk

Those new fords would be alright. Wouldn't mind a DOHC 6 cylinder turbo one...
Not really a ford person, but I wouldn't mind a BA.
And as for the controversy over the monaro: if it passed their scruitineering and rules then it should be allowed in. It was going ot up against porshe and ferrari and Viper's they could hardly put a 6 cylinder auto VT station wagon out there.
Still would have liked to see a Viper out there.. Love those cars...

I wonder what the chances of one of those 7 litre V8s fitting in my ute is

Maybe I could mount it in the back

The Monaro situation makes a farse of the technical regulations Procar Nations Cup published, which claims to comply with Group 3E Series Production Cars, with limited aditional freedoms.

The Ferrari 360 Michelotto looks like a Ferrari 360. Modifications allowed to it are compression and cams which increase power from the road version's 400BHP to 425 BHP. Since the start of the year it has been burdened with 100kg of ballast, has had the revs cut back from 9000 to 8300 and has the inlet restrictor size reduced from 30.8mm to 29.8mm on each bank of that superb 3.6 V8 engine. Power is now below that of the road going version! Yet an Aussie family hack 2 door sedan is allowed to fit a 620 7litre le-mans endurance spec Chevrolet race engine!

The Lamborghini GTR is still a Lambo GTR, and also has inlet restrictors. Sure these cars have some mods, but really only to minor engine tuning, suspension geometry, springs and dampers.

meanwhile there is not a single thing on the Procar Monaro that relates to the production Monaro:
*Corvette Le Mans racer engine
*Holinger six-speed racing gearbox, with sequential shift!
*Ford nine-inch differential
*V8 Supercar front suspension and brakes
and specially fabricated independant rear suspension
*V8 supercar aero package
*even the basic bodyshell is heavily modified with tubbed rear wheel wells, completely fabricated fron inner wheelarches to clear the 2" wider than V8 Supercar wheels and tyres!

Try speccing any of those on your friendly Holden Dealer's options list! It has more power than a V8 supercar, bigger wheels, better suspension a more aerodymanic bodyshell!

The other cars that compete in Nations Cup are much more production based. Sure they are supercars, but that's what they are. Taking a Monaro bodyshell and building it into an unlimited Sport Sedan to allow it to kick butt all over the the greatest sporting marques in the world is a bloody joke.

But credit where it is due, Holden were very smart to debut the car at Bathurst to avoid any possibility of it being subject to any such parity measures as imposed on almost every other car in the feild.

If you want to see where the Monaro should have finished, look at the SS Commodore which plays by the rules that apply to every other Procar team, and finished 69 laps down in 10th place. 9 laps behind the Tickford Falcon, behind a couple of STi WRX's, and 43 laps behind an BMW M3. Not so impressive huh?

sorry for such a long post, but that Monaro really ####s me. but I guess you probably figured that for yourselves by now

So what dealership do I by my production Mosler from?
You cant tell me that isnt a car just bred for that type of race.
PROCAR set the rules, so they only have themselves to blame if its wrong.
They limited the Monaro to 6200 rpm (limiting it to less power than a 5ltr V8 super car) and it still kicked butt.

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that's 10K cheaper than the HRT 427 might be if it ever makes it to production.

it's a low volume supercar. But that's beside the point anyway, it is not intended as a full time Nations Cup entrant, it was a one-off for the 24hr race to boost numbers and raise the international profile of the event. Gonna make it hard to attract competitors from overseas if they allow a local family 2dr sedan to crush all the worlds great supercars

the whole issue is Procar made a completely new set of rules just for the Monaro.

nice reply!

that showed him

Actually that is a good point, international teams will not return if we make a mockery of the rules allowing us to beat them with extreme cars vs. production, im sure if you let ferrari or porshce engineers loose they would produce something a little nicer than that monaro!

Of course this could be done but as always people die and they bring in heaps of regulations to slow them down