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Quote: 1200rallycar wrote:
thanks for the tips, question out of intrest, why the inlet on top and return on bottom i have been told the opposite
the return was supposed to go on top so that there is no resistance pressure apparently, cant remember why inlet was on bottom though
I have always used both inlet and return near the top, due to the no resistance thing, an overflow on the very top, and outlets on the bottom. As for material, I don't know about the others but I have always used aluminium and its been fine.
Posted on: 2004/1/27 5:16
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Yowzah There's a piccy of the tank setup in the great white whale up at *** here ***The low pressure pumps are on the right, they feed into near the top of the swirl pot. There's a big diameter feed from the bottom of the pot to the hi pressure pump (just visible) , the return line from the engine goes thru the regulator then feeds into the other connector near the top. The line from the very top is the return to the tank! Aeroquip did alright out of me that day....
Posted on: 2004/1/26 21:07
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Quote: Seriously..for your A-series turbo, "any which way" would be fine. oi, watch it  , a lot of this stuff i am justifying to myself cause i can use it for th CA later thanks for the tips, question out of intrest, why the inlet on top and return on bottom i have been told the opposite the return was supposed to go on top so that there is no resistance pressure apparently, cant remember why inlet was on bottom though
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:45
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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I was talking mild steel. Just get some oxide cleaning stuff like "CLR" for cleaning the insides. Swish it around on the inside for 10 minutes or so to clean out the scale buildup from the mig welding the ends on. If you choose to solder them on, then this won't be necessary, but a quick swish won't hurt. Follow it up with a swish of metho, then leave to dry.
Seriously..for your A-series turbo, "any which way" would be fine.
Have the "output to engine" at the lowest point. Have fuel input at the top, and also at the top, vent excess fuel back to the top of the main tank. If you have a return line, have it return to the surge tank at the bottom (don't return to the main tank). On EFI installs, the return line provides most of the fuel for the surge tank, except at high load.
Chris
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:39
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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were you talking mild steel or copper
is there some sort of paint that i can coat the inside that the fuel wont eat away, and that will protect it from rust?
also should i put the return line in the top (lid) of the tank as opposed to the side, that way the tank will be 100% full, i was thinking of putting it on the side (cylinder) as high as possible
basically i dont have a TIG welder to make it from stainless, cant and wont afford $90, and can get it made for free from copper or mild
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:30
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No comment  The painter is in a drug induced coma or something, I think...he comes up with newer, more interesting excuses every time. I haven't called him for 2 weeks, because he annoyed me with his excuses so much when I last called him. I'll call him tomorrow and get onto him about getting it done ASAP. My poor engine will need another rebuild to get the dust out the cylinders...at this rate. Chris
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:25
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Hey Chris how is the sedan coming along??? Is it back from the painters???
Damo
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:21
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The tank is always filled with petrol. It can't rust (on the inside). 1.5-2 litres is good, remembering that most swirl pots or surge tanks in production cars are less than 500mls.
Get someone with a lathe to make you up some end caps, and solder them on with a big soldering iron/flame. You can mig them, but then I'd recommend treating the inside with some rust killer, just like when you clean out your main fuel tank.
5mm wall thickness is far too much. It's hardly pressurised more than 5psi.
Get the finish product coated in powdercoat or just paint it.
Unless it's a show car..stainless is a lot more cost for show only really. If you have some fittings and drills/taps, my way will cost you nothing.
An all alloy one would be good for weight, but the costs also would be high.
At 90 bucks though..demojob puts up a good case...
Chris
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:18
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Best bet I say is to go with a Stainless steel surgie, I bought a 1.5L surge tank for $90. Go with stainless as then you won't have to worry about rusting at all
cheers damo
Posted on: 2004/1/26 13:09
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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plan was gonna be 4inch mild steel tube (wall thickness of approx 5mm) but it was suggested this might rust
what do you think?, have you use it?
i guess aslong as there is a filter it should be ok anyway?
will it rust?
[edit] volume will be just under 2ltrs
Posted on: 2004/1/26 12:59
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