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Re: RACE ROD PREP
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why not an RB26dett


The price!

Posted on: 2004/7/23 21:42
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why not an RB26dett

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Pro 240C I have a nice KH230 pillarless 2 door (1973 260C 2 door) that came with L26 in my yard awaiting some TLC.

I know this is a 1200 site, but with an RB 25 NA and triple 45DCOE's and stainless pipes pumping out about 185 RW KW's !!!!

Now thats as good a sleeper as a 1200 with a trick CA18DE in it

Posted on: 2004/7/23 14:23
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From what Ive read, crygenic anealing changes the molecules from austenite into martensite. Cold treat deos not have the drawback that heat treating does. This is why swiss clocks are renowned for lasting so long. Storage of their parts at low tempratures for long periods (ie in the alps for winter) led to the parts becoming very durable. Possibly likewise, with the idea of "weathering" of engine blocks in detroit way back in the day. I think that the colder the metal is, the shorter time is required to acheive anealment.

Pro240C, It's odd your choice of project car, I used to flat with a guy who put a worked Chrysler 265 hemi in a 260C. You and he would probably get on well.

Dodgeman should be a good sport, and post the page from his factory 1200 rally prep book oncon rod prep. I would do it but I don't have a scanner.


THAT'S IT! AUSTENTITE TO MARTENSITE...man i ALWAYS forget the names of them. the austentite is the almost same stuff that 'slag' is after welding, and martensite is 4x stronger than that because it's either compressed or cast differently.

and yeah, the hemi 265 4.3L was another engine i was considering (along with the VH45DE, worked and turbo'd 202, 2JZGE and RB30 with RB26 head and making it an NA screamer) but the hemis weigh so much and make less power than the 4.0L i've chosen with just as much work to fit it.

and yes, it is a different choice of project. but variety is the spice of life .

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It looks like i have inadvertantly started a good thread with my photo[s]
Thanks Feral for the info as there are always a lot if ill informed stories about things automotive, & the good oil, along with the odd picture, can go a long way to helping someone else avoid the same mistake.

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Thanks for the hint. I'k get right on it.

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From what Ive read, crygenic anealing changes the molecules from austenite into martensite. Cold treat deos not have the drawback that heat treating does. This is why swiss clocks are renowned for lasting so long. Storage of their parts at low tempratures for long periods (ie in the alps for winter) led to the parts becoming very durable. Possibly likewise, with the idea of "weathering" of engine blocks in detroit way back in the day. I think that the colder the metal is, the shorter time is required to acheive anealment.

Pro240C, It's odd your choice of project car, I used to flat with a guy who put a worked Chrysler 265 hemi in a 260C. You and he would probably get on well.

Dodgeman should be a good sport, and post the page from his factory 1200 rally prep book oncon rod prep. I would do it but I don't have a scanner.

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I get my rods X-Rayed by an aircraft engineering company who do my rods when they are doing a batch of their own parts. This minimises costs. It still costs $300 for the X-Ray and crack testing.

Yes 1200 coupe, cryogenic treatment is good for lots of applications. I also get gears and shafts done this way to increase durability.

As Pro-240C pointed out it causes free carbon particles in the steel to form molecular bonds between the iron and free carbon particles.

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i think there are so many great features about them too like 6 bolt mains, cross bolted and webbed block, all alloy, quad cam, 32 valves, 70mm TB, individual runners, indivudually measured and weighted pistons (early models like mine), forged crank and the fact that you can balance a 50c piece on end on the inlet manifold and start the engine without it falling over.

that's some cool sh1t.

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Actually, the Lexus 8 is a great engine.. I'd do one too, just because they're a known quantity these days....

These guys are a couple of mates of mine

1UZ gofast parts

Damian runs one of these in a AE85 rally car (eek, it's fekking fast) and Tony in a stunning convertible...

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what was wrong with the VH45 infinity engine?


nothing is wrong with it at all! it's a fantastic engine but the vee is a little flatter than the 1UZFE - hence making it wider in the block. not that this is a problem, but the heads are also MASSIVE due to the std DOHC timing belt arrangement per bank- this combined with the extra block width and flatter vee make it physically too wide to fit between my chassis rails and leave enough room for an exhaust. the 1UZFE has a centre cam gear arrangement which means the timing belt only has to drive one cam, with the centre gear driving the other.

as it is, the 1UZFE is a tight fit !

and yes, i think cryogenics is a definite improvement over heat treating - mainly due to the fact there are no warping issues whatsoever, because it compresses the 'slag' created from the casting process into malactite (it sounds like that anyways - i know it starts with 'm') which is 4x stronger.

anyone who thinks the deep freeze is a gimmick should have a look at why the metals on the space shuttle are stronger after being in space than when they left earth - and although re-entry heat is around 700

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