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Re: an unspeakable crime!
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he had that motor left over from his kp60 rallly car after he repowered it with a hayabusa engine.
I dunno D, I've had a series that I have overheated to buggery that have still given tons of service.
I supose there's not much between these motors. But datto's are best.

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I agree the K series are not performers but you can overheat them a 1000 times and they still will take you to the ends of the earth.
No A series has done that for me but the A is the performer with its better head but not for gearbox availability thats clear.

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A guy i went to school with had a corolla with a 3K in it, i always used to race him in my 1200 sedan and i pretty much beat him every time! having said that they have alot of potential. But A12 will out perform with the same amount of mods. I don't know why he didn't spend the cash and resources on an A-series???? maybe he had it lying around?

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and theres the proff but those motors have alot of work done to them

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speedway-A12 vs 3k.........A12 every time

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now i must disagree when it come to the k series. i have owned a ke30 with a 3k then converted to 4k coz i blew up the 3k lol but for toughness the k and datsun a series would be pretty even but when it comes to power the datsun motor wins hands down ... i have no idea why but when you drive a 3k compared to an a12 you too would agree that the datsun motor is much better. but when it comes to buying parts the rolla wins because there no demand for them lol

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there is no better pushrod in terms of reliability than a K series yota motor /quote]

I disagree. A sereis are no less eliable than the K engines.
I've owned a 3K powered KE36, and a 4K powered ke70 wags. And I chose datsuns over them everytime.
The rolla's feel like the handbrake is on compared to the datsuns.

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I hope you guys dont crucify me if i finally finish (start) my 1000 chop top coupe with a supercharged chevy V6....


That would b sweet man make sure u post up pics

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I agree, i thought it was the starlet motor which is a little ripper, but if it is the old 'slant" 3k family, then yeh why bother, the datsun a series is so similar, slightly better, but at least its cheap to get a corolla 5speed box.

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THe toyo 3k (esp early ones) are a strong motor. The blocks will take more boost than ought be possible (at least the ones I've played with - mid 20s boost and no intercooler, wandered into enough detonation to pop a head gasket and take a chunk of the head with it, but the block didn't incur any damage whatsoever). The 4ks generally have thinner bores and are less happy at higher rpm and or boost levels.

You would think (I know I certainly did which is why I played with toyotas at all some years ago) that being a 'slant' motor that the k series heads would flow more, since they are essentially a semi down draught head (if you look at port angle vs bore angle) - but in practice afaik the well ported big port (I suppose gx and then oval port a14/15 heads) datsun heads will outflow the bigport 3k heads (of the factory toyo heads, the best is the early 3k head, bigger ports and valves, and room for poirting - easily identifiable by a welsh plug on the back of the head instead of a bolt on plate and heater take off hose).

Another comparison that (imho) shows the datsun heads are better, is that I know of sc14 supercharged 5k (toyo 1.5) engines, that ran a 1:1 drive ratio and got over 15psi (close to 20 at >7000rpm) boost. The blokes here that have a14/15s that I can recall mentioned something more like 8-10psi from the same drive ratio - less boost means the head is flowing more, letting more into the cylinder, so less backs up and the inlet manifold pressure is lower.

the 4k toyos in the 'square' early 80s corollas (with 'hi-cam' badge on the boot) had dished pistons and a shallow chamber head, so using the early 3k head (flat pistons, bigger chamber) you end up with around 8:1 compression - hey presto cheap turbo friendly combo.

So ultimately the datto (imho) has more potential for power NA, which is a true test of power potential in the strictest sense). Having said that, the bloke has obviously put some serious time into the build, and deserves a lot of credit for that to say the least :) Still and all, it seems like a lot of trouble when the same result could be had from an engine that essentially is the same family as the original.

Posted on: 2009/3/13 3:19
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