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revhead001,
No one is "DICTATING".I understand what your saying as the topic title is asking on what his engine is worth.But upon reading the thread,i'm under the impression he wants or intends to build a heavily worked Naturally Aspirated motor for his 1200 not a Turbo engine.
He is already bored with the a14 because he used to own an fj20 1600 so looking for something fast but NA.Some of us are simply advising him to start with a better base engine as its more cost effective in the long run.It would be more expensive to modify a non-turbo sr20de/ca18de to the levels of a dead stock NA 240bhp f20c which would be more reliable,drivable,last longer etc as its stock.

Its an opinion given, not forced upon.

D,
Im comparing Non turbo 4 cylinder engines under 2000cc. a 240bhp dead stock f20c engine with loom,ecu and 6 speed gearbox is cheap for what it accomplishes at aud $5000k .
I say we move over to the engines for dattos thread??

cheers

I tought the whole poine of this thread was to get an indication of what the driveline might be worth from his car should he choose to sell it. Not to be dictated to as to what he should do to his own car!! He already has the gear to convert his car to SR20.

Not to mention the S2000 gearbox is 50kg+ also.
Still too heavy and expensive.
CA18DET is lighter, cheaper, smaller compact and more hp
for same price of initial S2000 purchase.

Here is a good buy if you can test it as it has all
the goodies just need headers, box, cpu.
Its just limited by the throttle bodies should make
another 25-50hp with 48mm quads and sr20ve cams.

http://my105.com/ListingDetails/tabid ... 5477/id/5233/Default.aspx

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Hey D,

Im assuming the qr23de is a 2.3liter?

Hondas s2000 engine would comply with the 2.0liter NA requirement for engineering in a 1200.I don't think there is an engine that can compete with the f20c hp/liter under 2000cc.Yes its heavy but with engines producing 250bhp at the rear wheels when modified is no easy feat.Regardless of how heavy the engine is ,if going to a lighter car like the 1200, im pretty sure they would give most ca18det 1200s a run for their money if most likely not beat them.

Ive seen many modified integra type rs / civics with na motors keep up and some often beat turbo cars .A modified f20c in a 1200 coupe with the right suspension setup to support its weight,would be extremely quick.

Cheers

honda s2000 motor weighs 3kg heavier than a buick/rover v8.
They are a very heavy motor and tall too boot.

A QR23DE is better by been 40kgs lighter.
QR23DE = qr25de block, custom rods, modded sr20de crank.

Im over my CA convo, so its worth a swap for my det, rebuilt r30 5 speed, haltech, pumps etc :) I going A series again, never should have gone away from that idea to begin with.

If you don't have the skills to put an SR20DE in your car you definitely don't have the skills to turbo your A12 including different pistons, prepped rods and this and that.
I would expect the turbo A12 path to be a long, time consuming and expensive one to get it to reliably make more power than an SR20.
I would go SR20. unless it was for a race car and weight was an issue.

and if your after an all out NA 4 cylinder engine, you can't go past the f20c engine from the honda s2000. You could land an Engine with loom,ecu and 6 speed gearbox from japan to oz (melbourne) for aud$5000k. 250bhp stock. but then the costs of custom mounts, modifing gearbox tunnel,suspension and brakes,diff etc etc

Sounds like your after NA hp so i guess my opinion won't count as much.There is always going to be a car/engine with more hp/torque than what one has.And even after you achieve targeted power, you will want more.and thats where turbo will seem as the most value for money.So maybe ca18det would be your best option in the long run.

That said, i would advise you to A12 it as it originally came out with it and live it NA simply for the fun/enjoyment factor.Or any A series engine will do.Spend all the costs of installing the sr20 on modifying/upgrading the a12engine and its drive terrain,56a 5speed,nismo lsd etc.. will end up costing more but will also be more rare n still really old school.

You keep the old school factor and in the future i doubt there will be many a12 NA powered dattos with the current trend...

i.e running such an a12 setup,great idle and sounds good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEx5yrDCAno&feature=related

and the worth of your engine based on opinions is really based on opinions and everyone has a different one.As some have said and tried to sell worked a series engines on this forum, some see the value and others don't.some will question why pay 1500 for a modified a12gx head when i can buy a ca18det etc etc.... and others will buy the gx head no questions asked.

What are your plans for the car?

Cheers

And also. It is very easy to ask what it's worth. Most will say it's worth way more than what they themselves are willing to pay for it.

If you sell do a wet and dry hot and cold compression test on it first. Honest results will ensure an honest buyer.