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Re: CA18 sump differences information dump and question?
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here is some more info from a ca18et/ca18det guru makes plenty of good sense

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The DET oil pump would have to be fitted along with the sump. Personally i think the DET sumps pants compared to the ET sump, it has loadsa louvres in the windage plate (to allow oil to drain back from head quicker i guess) but that does mean that on hard cornering/braking/acceleration the oil can move away from the pickup. Personally its why i think DETs have a reputation for 'chocolate' bigends, whereas the ET doesnt (and has same block and bearing design).The pickup is slightly different on the DET which means it has to come thru the plate at an angle, which means the plates not as tight a fit around the pickup either.


top is cadet
bottom is et

ET has no bearing issues just bend rods (spaghetti rods like ca20).

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Posted on: 2013/1/25 1:31

Edited by D on 2013/1/25 2:00:50
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Re: CA18 sump differences information dump and question?
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the common (top left) ca sump is not ideal for cornering that opening on the top left side lets oil escape the one on the right of your pic is like the ca18s/et and ca20 sumps which have no such problems due to the pickup been fully concealed but good to have some holes drilled and tapered downwards in that area also.

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nissan tried to reduce the 16v head from retaining oil and not draining back to the sump so added loads of louvres in the splash plate to allow oil flow back into the sump pan, and removed material around the pick up too. Trouble is that when the grip and or performance is increased, the oil can forced away from the pick up under cornering/braking etc. The louvres also allow the oil to surge to the back of the pan and away from the pickup under hard acceleration. If you are using a det sump, i reckon closing up every other louvre and added a plate around the pickup copying the ca20 version. If you add wings, be careful, as you will need trapdoors that are sprung or the extra oil will just surge and end up splashing all over the crank causing other issues. Ive bought an accusump instead, just to give 10-15 seconds of oil direct into the main gallery if i get surge

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Posted on: 2013/1/25 0:38

Edited by D on 2013/1/25 1:21:04
Edited by D on 2013/1/25 1:34:25
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Re: CA18 sump differences information dump and question?
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Quote fom 1200rc " are you making things harder than they supposed to be " lol.

RB have more issues than ca's so I think you will be fine.

Surging will come on the long sweepers, I should be more worried than you.
Bring a spare motor if your worried, can swap it for the dive home Sunday

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Re: CA18 sump differences information dump and question?
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nah no wings

that was the plan unfam but just wondering if det had a second baffle, as people talk about CA's havng oil issues anyway - i don't want to have less than stock baffles at phillip island

Posted on: 2013/1/24 11:47
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Weld that bung in the de sump and be done.

Will be good to see how it goes vs current engine

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ive got some pics somewhere will put them up

Is the non cradled ca18det sump from a fwd?
if so it should have a wing on one side.

Posted on: 2013/1/24 11:24
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nah, too much hacking, i cut the main opening out a bit on the right one for the pick up but the girdle still hit the baffle in about 4 places

Posted on: 2013/1/24 11:08
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If it's double grind out the top level, will the gridle fit in then?

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(3) CA18 DE with cradle on left - - - - - (2) CA18DET without crank cradle

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A CA18 cradle installed

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Posted on: 2013/1/24 10:59
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ok so i have been having fun with sumps

there may be 4 different ones -

1-CA18DE without crank cradle
2-CA18DET without crank cradle
3-CA18DE with cradle
4-CA18DET with cradle

i have a (2) and a (3)

the differences

- some have 2 levels of baffe some have 1
- the sumps without cradle the main baffle is curved where it mounts to the sides of the pan. this prevents it being installed on a motor with a cradle
- the oil pick up pipes are different depending on if it has a cradle or not
- the DET sumps have hose fittings to suit the turbo oil drain back

I have a question now... does the CA18DET with cradle sump have 2 levels of baffles or just the one?

the sumps with two levels have an extra baffle in the lower section where the oil pick up is, i dont know if this is only on the non-cradle DET or both DET sumps

i will update this all with pics when i know the answer and can complete the information

Posted on: 2013/1/24 10:50
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