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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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There are a few bad comments about the quality of the weber knock offs on Downunder Datsuns, proceed with caution if you're going to buy.
Posted on: 2013/11/8 8:20
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Yep Ive come to agree with you all and especially the injection choices using even factory TBs from over 900cc bikes
Posted on: 2013/8/2 0:57
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Of course for probably the same price of a set of new Webers you can fit a set of Toyota throttles, fit an ECU, have it tuned and maybe have a few bob left for a case of beer. You'll save fuel on the way to get the beer and won't have to retune when you get back.
Unless you race in a very specific formula that won't allow you to use ITB's and injection, for me there is absolutely no motivation to use carburetors anymore. None.
At least here in South Africa that's the case and carb tuners are now scarcer than hens teeth. Those that are still around are stupid expensive too.
Posted on: 2013/8/1 21:15
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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If you dont wanna spend the money doing it properly dont do it :)
Im with chris , and a poor man pays twice
Posted on: 2013/8/1 17:47
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Thats what another forum mentioned, Spanish are only good at making Paella :) The Jap weber copies could be the EMPI HPMX made by FAJ but version 2.
Posted on: 2013/7/27 13:13
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Stuart Wilkins has found the Spanish Webers are porous & leak fuel through the castings. Was talking carbs at the time & he advised me to use a Japanese weber copy he could supply. MCR's or something like that.
Posted on: 2013/7/27 7:43
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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It is interesting and at least there are options but so far the earlier v1 spanish webers are not as good as the v2 but how to tell is unknown to me just talked about that the EMPI carbs are very good as they replace the shaft bearings with quality ones but thats all I know. Chinese do take shortcuts hence would prefer Italia Webers of Dellortos however Dells are harder to get parts for supposedly compared to Weber and Solex are even worse for parts but Solex Mikuni style Webers are reportedly the best and I wish I never got rid of my japanese 44s and 50s.
Posted on: 2013/7/25 13:27
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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I'm not one to believe a forum post as gospel. I'll buy a set from the actual factory and put them up against some second hand webers that I have. The Chinese makes are cheap but they aren't better and they aren't as well made. The casting marks are indeed a good indication of this and some of the machine work isn't as precise as a genuine weber. Generally the Chinese ones work okay.
From what I understood the equipment was moved along with the production from Italy to Spain, so I'm surprised to hear that there are complaints of the items made in Spain when the production line and process was essentially the same.
Not to cause an argument, but Chinese manufacturers, especially casting companies are renowned for cost cutting and this is directly reflected in the product. If you're prepared to accept slightly lesser quality in lieu of a lower price tag then these carburettors are for you. The champion carb is the genuine Weber, and the DCOE is certainly their flagship model. Personally I think dellorto are the very best however I will agree that the alloy used by Weber is superior, by a long margin.
Posted on: 2013/7/25 10:18
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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Yep read about the throttle shaft bearings needing replacing afta 5000kms Cant find the exact post but heres one with the HPMX which are also FAJS or made for EMPI http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/view ... s=0&postorder=asc&start=0The problems encountered with the IDF offering from spain... Quote: The latest "Spanish" IDFs are characterized by different character shape on the "Made in Spain" embossing, and by a cast cover on the enrichment circuit covers. The enrichment circuits are also not drilled and machined, like some of the Italian Weber models that had roller pump linkage. I find them to be sloppy, in the throttle shaft machine work on the body. Holes out of line, bearings loose in the bodies, and a lot of the parts tend to be too loosely installed. You have to check this all. The worst of it is how the auxiliary venturis fit. They are so loose in there I can make them rattle by shaking the carburetor. The bore for the aux vent is way too big for the aux vent itself, and even the little spring loop isn't enough to make them seat up tight. This is important because the small signal response of the main circuit REALLY depends on a good seal between the aux vent and the hole in the side of the jet well that it mates with. If it is not good, dilution and erratic running will occur. This is NOT a place to be screwed up. It's pathetic. If I were going to choose between one of these IDF kits and HPMXs, I would choose HPMXs, now, as long as they were later production models. They seem to have worked out all the stupid stuff, and the casting quality is better too. It's a sad day my friends. But I believe in being truthful. I still don't endorse any one brand for all their parts, but I have seen a trend toward better stuff coming from EMPI in a few areas. I hope Weber pulls their head out of their ass and starts making good carburetors again. Just found the 45s but need to order a dozen! http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/702 ... carburetor_19600_060.html
Posted on: 2013/7/25 8:26
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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I've come across these before. The old saying applies. You get what you pay for. I don't like the bearings and I think some of the threads could have been a bit tidier. I also thought the feel of the starter was a bit hesitant but that could have been just a fresh item, I didn't investigate it much further.
I'd be interested to hear how you came to the conclusion that they are a better than the Spanish ones? Do you mean the casting is tidier or the material is superior?
Posted on: 2013/7/25 2:58
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