even uncut king springs aren't captive. I've had similar trouble, though I wasn't looking at going nearly as low. I spoke to someone on the tech help info type phone line at king (in QLD afaik) and they suggested an alternative - which turn out to be heavier rate lowered (not super low) springs - for the rear of a hyundai excel or something like that. I've gotten the springs here now, but haven't fitted them (too many things came up and i ended up fitting stock springs back on there to get the roadworthy)

I'll probably be fitting them this week so I'll let you know how low compared to standard it sits (for the record I'm not after anything a lot lower, 1-2 inches tops, but was after the heavier spring rate.

Fwiw, the stock springs are a good 5-6 (possibly even more) cm longer (free length) than they need to be in order to be captive springs, which means, by rights, they should be able to wind a spring that is lower and heavier and still have the required free length (but in this case only perhaps 1cm or so) to be captive.

I used to run lovells springs on practically everything I had, and never had a drama with them. If they actually make a set for the datto 1200, I'd be more confident (sight unseen) that they'd be captive, or would come with a warning otherwise, but I haven't seen/bought any of their gear for a number of years now.

Anyway - If the new king springs are captive when assembled onto the strut on the bench, I'll post back here about the change in ride height and cornering difference (apart from new strut inserts - kyb 362001 and a 120 y front sway bar, it's std springs, and the change to new inserts and swaybar made a decent difference to handling/predictability)

About the only thing I dislike about the king springs is that they are variable rate. They have certain advantages I suppose for ride/comfort, but I prefer to keep it simple.

got plenty of stock springs if needed nick

well im not sure of the setup nick as this is how it came off andy. the shocks dont seem to bottom out they just huge things and the spring cut.

hold on so wat u are saying is that if the shocker is shorter the spring dont have as far to travel. arrr i see

could u not just put in a shorter shock and not shorten the tube its like the same size tube and height as the 200b struts i think.

my engineer got me to put thin wire strop on mine to stop the suspension from going full travel it works a treat they have one ton capacity and they are only 3mm thick

to have the spring captive and have the same ride height you will either have to get the strut tubes cut down to suit shorter shocks or run really soft springs, the first option being the better one

or if you dont want to do that you could just put some captive springs in for road worthy then put the king springs back in and just wire the spring in to keep it captive

any lowered spring that you buy that will be captive will make the car sit higher
so to do it properly you need to shorten the shocks

hi people, as some people no i have a 1200 coupe and it has bluebird struts in it but i have a problem and that is the car has CUT king springs in it BUT they arnt captive!!!!!!!

so i need some help on wat sort of springs to go in the front!
i would like the car to sit at the same height it does now (3inches lower than standed) but need the springs to stay captive as the car nees to go for a roady in the next few weeks and also for SAFTY reasons, looking for some imput any may help me out.

ive been told by a few ppl to try lovells but not sure wat to do.
if any one has any idea PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!

they may also be the same as stanza/200b height wise (not sure but)
cant make sence of wiki