i also agree with both sides of the argument. i have seen people with there #### box carby v8 vn with there subs blaring throwing wayward single leggers through crowded shopping malls and nothing pisses me off more, if your going to bang your car out there and link a few bends here and there think about the concequinces and do it as safely as you can. there are a few ways me and my mates do this if we feel the need. one is by going to a tip we know of about 30 mins drive away and before anyone winges about noise polution and things hit it is about 2kw away from anyhouse and has a few low speed corners with grass runnoff and nothing to hit. the other place is in the national park or mountains we often go driving through, there are corners similar to the tip one and at night there are never ever other cars around and we have people at both the top and bottom of the run we choose with cb radios and most of the cars have cages and are seam welded. whether anyone likes it or not it will continue to happen but i think it is the idiots that are showing off there #### box cars in the middle of crowded malls that should be dealt with, not the people that are being cautious and making sure there is noone to endanger and little danger of hurting themselves, people that are just trying to excel at a growing sport know as drifting cos they dont have $200 to fork out for a quick track run. Around here, in fact everywhere that i have spent any time.

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it sure does. but the rain brings out people you dont notice, that practice in places that noone knows, with cars that probly couldnt pass a rego inspection because of not being engineered, but still manage to win most of the comps around nsw and queensland, my mates. this is also where the massivly succesful jap drifters learnt. it is the same with track drivers, just not as evident.