I tend to do both, attend little club meetings and events and also have a little fun in the wet. I like to think the difference between me and those little wankers in old 3 series bmers which have been choped and rotered is that I NEVER do any high speed stuff ( in fact I rearly need to excede 30 -40kph), I do it late a night in places I know arent populated (ie business parks) and I dont cruze specifically to skid, its normally in my road car (ae86) after a late finish at work. I agree with people who hate boyracers who cause millions of $$ worth of damage each year with death traps for cars and no insurence but a LITTLE CONTROLED fun is ok. its just idiots who ruin it for every one else.