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L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)
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As a result of this thread:

http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/v ... hp?topic_id=48443&forum=2

I've decided to post this in the main forum, since it might be of interest (probably most of you already know it but just in case.

Basically I'm embarking on tig welding a cut n shut front section of an a series bellousing onto a 5 speed casing from an L series (probably out of a bluebird, since they are the most common/easy to get)

http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/22568.jpg
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Here's pics of an old a15 flywheel (if you can see it under the surface rust) with an L series clutch disc (albeit a race oriented one, but the diameter is the thing we are concerned with initially)

http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/22570.jpg
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Additionally here's a comparison of an L series clutch disc (again a race oriented one, not a stock one, since it's the only one I have from an L series (technically it's Datsandy's and you'll note the icy pole sticks keeping the clutch lining away from the rusted flywheel!) which shows the difference in diameter of them when both sat on a level surface. The overall difference in radius is of course half that (if anyone wants to do some back of the envelop quick maths to work out the increase in grip/force)

http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/22569.jpg
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then there is a pic to show the L series pressure plate. The flywheel would need the dowel holes redrilled/located and new bolt holes cut and tapped, but the important thing is that the L series pressure plate _does_ fit on there as far as the diameter goes. it has a few mm to spare - not a lot of extra room, but definitely doable and safe.

So the only other thing to be done would be the spigot bush might need to be made to suit (not sure on the diameter vs the L series and a series 4/5 speeds) and the clutch linkage (though I dare say they'd be the easy bits)

I reckon the drilling for the pressure plate, if done VERY carefully could actually be done by anyone with access to a lathe to enable a couple of hubs to be machined up to properly centre an a series flywheel on top of an l series flywheel then drilling/tapping as required straight through the l series flywheel. A bit like how brake discs are redrilled in this thread:

http://www.performanceforums.com/foru ... 7257992&highlight=redrill

The only possible spanner in the works here - and I honestly don't know this - are the intput splines on the 4 speeds different to the 5 speeds as far as L series boxes go? The clutch/p plate I have upload were from an l16 with 4 speed. it was in the rally car Andy has started to part out. It had a rear diff out of a 200b - so I'm not sure if the box itself is out of that, or an early bluebird or what. I'm hoping they are interchangeable, as that would result in a fairly easy swap (definitely cheaper than a toyota t50 conversion bellhousing, and for that matter getting a good t50 cheaply is getting hard. In contrast, people are practically giving away the bluey 5 speeds.

Only slight downside is that each conversion would have to 'sacrifice' a 56 series 4 speed to get the front bellhousing section to graft onto the bluey/L series 5 speed

EDIT:

http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/22571.jpg
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here's a pic of the std a series clutch disc on an l series pressure plate, gives a better idea of the extra diameter/leverage/grip available with a larger diameter clutch disc, even if clamping force and friction lining was identical) Sorry about the angle of the shot not being directly overhead, I couldn't get the light to stop glaring otherwise.

Posted on: 2010/10/19 15:23

Edited by jmac on 2010/10/20 8:36:37
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     L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options jmac 2010/10/19 15:23
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options Anonymous 2010/10/19 21:41
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options ddgonzal 2010/10/20 3:20
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options bert 2010/10/20 5:16
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options DatsAndy 2010/10/20 10:09
         Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options PIGDOG 2010/10/20 10:28
           Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options Fandatstick 2010/10/20 11:35
             Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options dattoman_1000 2010/10/20 12:10
               Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options clyons8 2010/10/20 12:21
                 Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options D 2010/10/20 13:30
                   Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options scott77 2010/10/21 23:26
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options ddgonzal 2010/10/21 2:39
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options PIGDOG 2010/10/21 2:43
         Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options ddgonzal 2010/10/21 2:45
           Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options denuto 2010/10/21 7:55
       Re: L series gearbox onto A series - clutch options A14force 2010/10/22 1:52




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