hmm ok Kool thanks for that at least i haven't done anything that i wont be able to drive it somewhere... i spent a bit of time trying to figure out what was the noise i checked the wheels and that last weekend when i had it all jacked up didn't appear to be any move meant but i guess that doesn't necessarily mean they are in the clear.... one thing i forgot to mention the whine calmed down a little with fresh oil in it. but the clunky noise has stayed an i figure thats the bigger problem.