Hi guys this is a discussion that is close to my heart as an x cyclist that won many national titles on the velodrome,as a junior.You get alot off what i call wood choppers on the road that give the pros a bad name.Me and my training partners use to do minium 100km-250km in one ride daily and manage to sit 2 abreast and only about 1.5 metres from the curb on 2 laned road,single file on a one laned road.There were many times when cars got just that little bit to close and their side mirror scrapped our leggs,those drivers were forced from there car and given a flogging at the next set off traffic lights.Just my 2 cents worth.