I think brand choice is a personal thing, I like Datsuns and Nissans but there were some pretty nasty and ugly cars that came from them too. I know where your coming from with the sheep like following that the Holdens and Fords seem to have but..I don't think they're dicks or whatever for thinking it. I drove a BA Falcon XR6 turbo in the weekend and was very impressed, it wasted the BA XR8 we had with us. The Monaro GTO that we've just rebuilt is a weapon but I did'nt enjoy driving it as much as the XR turbo. The shove in the back on boost was fantastic and reminded me of my old turbo Skyline which was a rocket ship but it handled like a gorilla on roller skates. We are attracted to different cars for different reasons and you have to respect that . I personally can't stand 120Ys but I don't knock people for enjoying them. And many a 120Y has died to keep my 1200s going...