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Joined: 2003/5/16 9:13
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hey guys i'm getting ready to put my 1400 together again, could you make any suggestions on assembling it (no mods, have done them already) iy's the first 1400 i'm rebuilding, i've only ever put a 1200 together!
many thanks nicholas
Posted on: 2003/12/26 17:51
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The most important suggestion: Get a repair manual and follow the directions and torque specifications exactly. Use a torque wrench.
Posted on: 2003/12/26 20:27
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Nicholas just take your tiem make sure everything is spot on clean and torque it up to the correct specs. I also use engine honey (thick sticky oil) so on startup all the bearings and moving parts are lubricated right from the start. Its a great feeling building an engine and seeing it startup for the first time with no problems. Its even better when its out there on the track blowing the oposition away  Good luck cheers Andrew
Posted on: 2003/12/26 23:48
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ddgonzal has taken the words from my mouth. Do it by the book. It's probably overkill, but i like to rotate the crank at least once each time that i add something.IE Install crank in block, rotate it. Install rod & piston, rotate it, & so on for every single item. That way you get a feel for how it's going together. If there is a problem, you will pick it up straight away.
I also like to pre lube the engine prior to startup. In this case, leave the plugs out & spin the engine on the starter untill you have oil pressure. [Fill the filter before installing it to save the battery] This way you should have oil pressure right on startup. It seems a simple enough thing to do, but i have seen many who have sweated while their new engine sat at 1500rpm, waiting for oil pressure. If you are running the stock mechanical fuel pump, then this pre lube thing will allow the carb to fill so that first fire up should be painless.
If using the original oil pump, you probably should have pulled it down for inspection. I like to reassemble them with some light grease to help seal the moving parts. This helps to pull up the oil when you first crank it over. Pre oiling it works the same, but these pumps go on horizontally & some of the oil runs out when installing it & makes a mess. Bummer.
Break it in before running it in, watch the temp a lot, be proud of yourself & enjoy every minute of it. Chris
Posted on: 2003/12/27 15:42
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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DEFINITELY get a manual and go step by step. Also, as Dodgeman said, rotate it every time you install a part. I just rebuilt my A14 and it's back on the road as of yesterday and it's worth taking the extra time for the small details. I also used assembly lube which can save a new cam. If you need me to scan pages of the manual just let me know in a PM or email. Good luck!
Posted on: 2003/12/27 16:13
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thanks for the offer, how long would you run it in for? and what oil should i use? my 1200 gave me a ball ache, i blocked the oil feed to the rocker and seized my whole rocker shaft, broke valve guide and seized some valves in the process, i dont want a repeat of that thanks guys cheers nicholas
Posted on: 2003/12/27 18:28
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Here's a great quote from dodgeman in an email to me about breaking in / running in engines: Quote: There is a diference between "breaking in" an engine & "running in" an engine. Give it hell, or baby it? Probably a bit in-between, read on.
Breaking in is the first half to one hour or so of running & is usually done in the workshop. A very light oil is usually used without any friction modifiers. This process involves running the engine at an engine speed of something above 1,500 rpm & many would say to use about 1,750 as a minimum. This is to ensure that the cam stays lubed [splash fed on the lobes] & that nothing gets loaded up too much. It also keeps the fan spinning & that helps to keep the temp under control. Keep a good eye on the temp as nothing kills engines faster than heat. Blip the throttle occasionally to vary the revs, but do not load the engine up. Do not race the engine. Blip to about 4,000 rpm max. Once you are happy with this break in period, i suggest that the oil & filter be changed as this is the time when the greatest amount of metal particles will have been liberated from the freshly machined surfaces, & in my view, the price of the consumables is cheap insurance. Use the grade of oil that is recomended in your owners manual. No manual? Pretty much any manual from any passenger car will give the same sort of info. I think a tune up is in order. Check tappet clearances, points [if fitted], & timing as best as possible. In a new engine, it doesn't take much for these settings to settle in & change from when you set them to, an hour ago. Running in. Once again, the manual is a good reference, but basicly, you want to minimise "local" heat buildup. By this i mean that some of the parts inside your engine can get pretty tight once the engine has warmed up, & while the coolant temp is good, some parts inside can get a lot hotter than we would like. Since this heat buildup can rise almost exponentially with load & speed, it's a good idea to keep the pressure, & revs, down a bit for a little while. Once you have a little mileage on it, a few short full throttle bursts will be helpfull. I do not suggest going over 66% of full available revs just yet. This full throttle stuff from about 2,000 rpm puts maximum gas pressure behind the top rings & helps to seat the rings properly, but don't over rev it. Keep the idle revs somewhere near 1000, or whatever it takes to smooth out the cam a bit. In fact, you may have some break-in, & running-in recomendations with your cam. A good indication of engine tightness is the speed with which it stops when switched off. If it stops in just a few rotations from about 1000rpm, you got a tight one. Tight equals heat. Heat is bad. As the mileage mounts up, you will notice that it doesn't come to a stop quite so quickly. Just keep an eye on this stopping thing as It is interesting to observe over time how this settles down. I guess that at about 1,000 miles, i like to dump the oil & filter again, check the tune up settings, & bring the idle back a little. Like the book says, increase maximum engine speed & load as the miles roll on, but i personally do not like prolonged full power runs untill somewhere between 3,000, to 5,000 miles. I'm sure that there are many who would flog the bejesus out of it right out of the shop door, but when i'm paying for it, i take care of it during the first days & weeks of life, as an engine siezure just ruins your whole day. Even if it just "picks up" in the bore [scoring, the first signs of piston siezure, not usually noticeable at full power] it damages rings, pistons & bore, & that shortens engine life, reduces power, & increases your costs. I like to check head tension again [cold] at somewhere between 5,000 & 10,000 miles. I know that mono-torque gaskets do not need checking, but i trust no-one, particularly advertising men. I check mine again about every 30,000 to 50,000 miles [depending on degree of laziness] as head gasket failures, particularly at the rear where it gets a bit hot, are not unknown. A half hour with a torque wrench at tappet check time can save a lot of inconvenience. Conservative?.... Me?... Bloody oath i am. I got very good life from my 1200 GX engine, twice, & i gave it a damn good workout during it's time on the road, but i built the engine a little on the tight side both times & took things gently for a while. It all worked for me. Just watch that heat, & change the oil & filter a few times early on to get rid of the metal particles. A magnetic drain plug, or even a magnet in the pan is never a bad idea. Any piece of metal in the oil, no matter how small, that is taken out of circulation, is a piece that can do no harm. A lot of great information in there specific to what you'll be doing in the near future. Hope you don't mind Dodgeman
Posted on: 2003/12/28 2:15
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I recently installed an a14 in a ute, I did all the bolting in and setting up and I had a mechanic friend with me when it came to start up, as soon as it fired he held the rev's at 1500 for exactly a minute (to bed the rings in) I also use "engine honey" STP castrol brands ect when putting engines together and when I am runnung in a do a thousand gentle k"s and then replace oil and filter and retension everything oh I also have a few beers as the first start up is nerve wrecking good luck cheers Ade
Posted on: 2003/12/28 2:51
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No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) 
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2332owner Thats fine, but it's a helluva "quote"
Just treat your new engine with a little respect & care, & it will reward you by giving it's best, for a long time. Chris
Nicholas To prevent the rocker problem again, pre lube the engine with the rocker cover off & watch for oil driping from them. If you are still woried, leave the cover off when you fire it up. Leave it running just long enough to be sure it is oiling, then shut down, refit the cover, & resume the break in running. The downside of needing to wash the oil from the firewall may be a small price to pay for peace of mind.
One of my mechanics in the Goulburn workshop had the same problem with a petrol [gasoline] Land Cruiser engine about 15 years ago. He had flopped the head gasket front to rear & blocked the oil feed. It cost us a replacement head assembly complete.
Posted on: 2003/12/28 9:28
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