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Posted: 2011/2/8 6:43 Updated: 2011/2/8 6:55 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
 Re: H165 alloy carrier Yes just cause I dont update every change like todays Facebook attention junkies or take pics of every carb and manifold changes doesnt mean I shouldnt be allowed to pop ideas out there without Sardonic tones! :).
Most of the things I put out there have been confessed later on & been done by Lemonhead, Sykine and a14force yet you havent noticed?.
eg. repetitions removed "displacement, sleeved blocks, offset bores, stroking, de-stroking, turbo, SC etc"
H150 with 3.4 ratio was always the choice from the start, beggars cant be choosers so DD is kind enough to be looking out for a 3.4 or 3.1 which ever comes around first or is easier to attain for my vb10. So I cant give definite outcomes till I get my hands on them and they are not everyday items right?
Ive got a 3.7 h165 out of a stanza but want 3.4 for the kb10
The ally h165 is 4.11 & maybe 23 spl as I recall (need to check if imperial or metric.
The 5 speed is a T5, one I just got last week as the other I got in the past is at Sykines workshop and if he has time one day (not every1 has these days) or finds the need to do it as his bluey/Z hybrid cut and shut 71 series box is doing the job he needs for the meantime. I will be pursuing this conversion further when and if the inundated dude has time. Also need to get a shorter Chevvy S10 rear extension housing from the states to suit the b10 shift position when they become affordable as they sought after by every hot rodder doing the t5 upgrade.
By the way Im an X-genr so the datsun 5 speeds, quad carbs and countless other things have been tried and done even before Internet was even available so when I decide that a rare 60 series 5 sp is not what I want or to trash rare hardware w/o consideration on its replacements its for a my own reasons apart from old age.
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Posted: 2011/2/8 7:20 Updated: 2011/2/8 7:22 |
Moderator   Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Plenty of room for both ideas and actual work on here.
I'll look out for you. Last year I saw both diffs. I haven't been to the wreckers in about 4 months but it is the middle of winter here. It's wet and damp. When it warms up a bit I'll venture out into the rain and visit the yards again.
I can look for a T5 extension too. Last summer I didn't come across one. Seeing as the T5 was factory fitted to Nissan L-series that is a nice idea -- a stumpy T5.
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Posted: 2011/2/8 23:24 Updated: 2011/2/8 23:24 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier No hurry DD best thing I can think of is a trip to a wrecking yard
on a nice day over pretty much anything else away from cars. I wish
sometimes that we car blokes could just go into some time-void work on
our cars and as we emerge there is time for everything else.
Didnt know about the L series T5, must have been the L28 turbo 280zx
I thought they where just on the V6 versions but the reason the T5
was something that interest me was because someone in NZ did a cut
and shut with one on an L series. Sykine and I found an easier way
which is use a 5mm steel plate bolted on the 4 bolts of the modular
T5 and the other studs tapped into the an A series ABH.
With some holes and tapping to the ABellHousing a lever mechanism
can be setup for mechanical or hydraulic setup similar to a suzuki
factory unit. Over the years I have collected many W series Toyota
boxes to finally have a very stumpy W series hybrid with close ratios.
The problem is the input shaft is too short for an a series but not
was fine for a rotary or a Suzuki G16 engine.
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Posted: 2011/2/3 0:44 Updated: 2011/2/3 0:44 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier I said rare here but they are actually non-existent
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Posted: 2011/2/3 11:27 Updated: 2011/2/3 11:27 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2004/4/15 From: Melbourne Vic Posts: 1664 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier i pulled one out at a wreckers a few years ago and gave it to sikyne, so they do exist. for the cost of dd finding removing and then sending you might as well buy a whole wreck and get the diff then resell the 'rolling' shell
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Posted: 2011/2/3 12:26 Updated: 2011/2/3 12:27 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Lags are you sure it was a 3.364 ratio??
they where never available in Oz and neither
was the 3.154 ( 38100-W8500 ) otherwise many
of us would not be looking for 5 speeds.
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Posted: 2011/2/5 4:27 Updated: 2011/2/5 4:27 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2004/4/15 From: Melbourne Vic Posts: 1664 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier oh na, it was a 4.3 or 4.6 i think.
and why would you want those horrible ratios! a 3.1 would be the worst!
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Posted: 2011/2/5 11:59 Updated: 2011/2/5 12:05 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier I figured youd jump the gun more than once! Horrible ratios? hardly for freeway and take off with a torquey engine in a b10 If I was racing it different story, I want to cruise with the least engine noise possible the supercharger will make enough noise already  With a 3.9 and a12 I still find first and final useless, with an a15 its even worse. Not interested in a rare and aging five speed. |
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Posted: 2011/2/6 0:25 Updated: 2011/2/6 0:25 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier In Japan and USA, the 1967 bluebird used an H190 alloy diff. Was it different in Australia?
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Posted: 2011/2/6 10:00 Updated: 2011/2/6 10:00 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2004/4/15 From: Melbourne Vic Posts: 1664 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier i get the not wanting to over rev it on the cruising but you'll be spreading 4 speeds over that final ratio. i swapped my 4.3 out for a 3.9 and did appreciate the lower revs for sure. the joy of the datsun is in its go kart like features not its commodore cruisability imo. each to their own i suppose. in reality if your motor makes any torque you'll be blowing 4 spd datsun boxes daily!
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Posted: 2011/2/6 11:31 Updated: 2011/2/6 11:34 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier DD, there was also a h165 in australia of the 1967 bluebird
Dodgeman has my first one I found, now i finally have another.
Lags, wont be blowing any gearboxes the way I drive and look
after my VB, especially on the street regardless of torque output.
Youd be surprised how lasting things can be if youre smooth rather than angry.
Eventually a manually operated Jatco will b the final piece of the jigsaw.
Datsuns can be anything you want, I want a lightweight economic cruiser.
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Posted: 2011/2/7 22:22 Updated: 2011/2/7 22:22 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2004/4/15 From: Melbourne Vic Posts: 1664 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier true, im as smooth as a poo sandwhich most things hold together for me. So these cars you talk about, got any pics... share with the community your cool projects
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Posted: 2011/2/7 22:57 Updated: 2011/2/12 6:14 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2007/1/22 From: East New Britain, Papua New Guinea Posts: 6981 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Yes, It would be good to see one of your big ideas eventuate, develop and materialise into something that actually exists. Always this passionate talk about ratios, rpms, gearing, torque, displacement, stroke, bore, sleeved blocks, offset bores, stroking, de-stroking, turbos, superchargers.....the list goes on, but no outcome.
edited. What happened to the 3.7 ratio H150? No dice? And what was the 5-speed you were trying to graft to an A-series bellhousing, that was looking promising?
Commit to this 3.1 centre and get something out of it.
Edit 2 What ratio did the centre (that you have) come with Dave? Also what is the spline count?
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Posted: 2006/5/16 15:20 Updated: 2006/5/16 15:20 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier This is an H165, while the differentials that we are most familiar with are actually H165B's. It is my hope that the only difference is in the material that the carrier is made from.
The real advantage is in the reduced unsprung mass, particularly in a light car like a 1200.
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Posted: 2006/5/16 15:22 Updated: 2006/5/16 15:22 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)  Joined: 2004/7/15 From: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 3931 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier So is this in your possession? Do you have a H165 housing and axles so you can give it a try?
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Posted: 2006/5/16 15:36 Updated: 2006/5/16 15:36 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier No, it's not in my posession,..... yet, but hopefully soon. The plan is to build it up with a 3.7 to 1 ratio [I have an iron donor diff in this ratio] & place it into my 1200 ute axle housing & use the Bluebird rear disc brakes that I have laying around.
If I use the whole of the H165B internal components, then the axles will fit, & the gasket for the mounting flange should be the same for both, so the carrier should fit the axle houding without difficulty. I suppose I will find out for sure once I get it home.
Hopefully I will be able to install my spare A15 engine & a Jatco 4N71B auto trans into my sons 1200 coupe, & I will probably use this rear axle assembly as part of the overall upgrade. With my leftover 1200 GX induction on it, I think it should prove to be a very pleasant little car to drive.
Now,... does anyone know if there was ever an alloy diff carrier for the H150?
All of the others, the H145, H165, & H190 had them, but I suspect that the H150 will prove to be the exception. Bummer.
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Posted: 2006/5/16 15:57 Updated: 2006/5/16 15:57 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2004/7/15 From: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 3931 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Should be real nice setup, you will have to find a auto 1200 for the linkage mounts and gearbox mounts in the tunnel and pedal assm. Also start looking for tailshafts as the auto is different from the manual, 120y tailshafts are the same length as 1200's, but you'd have to find one to go from a auto to a H165?? My partners car is great to drive with the A14 and auto, i would like to find a gx carb setup for it though, still could be a bit faster!
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Posted: 2006/5/16 16:04 Updated: 2006/5/16 16:04 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier The coupe is already an auto, so no real problem there & the simple fix for the 25mm shortfall in tailshaft length when the H165 differential is used is simply a 25mm spacer block. that fits up at the rear of the shaft.
Too blessed easy.
The beauty of the GX induction is that it will still hold good vacuum & the Jatco boxes use a vacuum modulator to control the shift points. With a near to stock A15 engine [with B210 GX cam] it should be on very little throttle for most driving conditions & the 12mm [half inch] increase in stroke over the 1200 should provide the boost in torque that autos like.
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Posted: 2006/5/17 5:59 Updated: 2006/5/17 5:59 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier With the Hitachi (H) diffs, the "A" versus "B" I think means the CR&P (Ring & Pinion set) is not interchangeable. In other words, gears from H165 fit other H165, but won't fit H165B. Then again I could be wrong ... Here's what the 1984 Nissan Competition catalog says:Quote: H165B RING & PINION SETS (TYPE I)
The ring and pinion sets listed below will fit the 710 (from 4/73), HL510 (to 6/79) and 200SX/S10
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3.545
3.700
3.900
4.111
4.375
4.625
4.875
H165B RING & PINION SETS (TYPE II)
The ring and pinion sets listed below will fit the HL510 (from 7/79) and 200SX/S10 (to 6/81)
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3.364
3.545
3.700
3.900
4.111
4.375
4.625
4.875 In any case, the entire center assembly should interchange, depending on the axle splines (H165 are all the same spline???). |
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Posted: 2006/5/17 11:43 Updated: 2006/5/17 11:43 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2000/11/8 From: Taupo New Zealand Posts: 595 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier I NEED one of these diff carriers and i will make my gears and LS centre fit by hook or by crook  thanks for posting that D and dodgeman please make sure to let us know how you get on fitting the later internals! |
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Posted: 2011/1/29 7:28 Updated: 2011/1/29 11:12 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier bump Quote: H165B RING & PINION SETS (TYPE I) The ring and pinion sets listed below will fit the 710 (from 4/73), HL510 (to 6/79) and 200SX/S10 ... 3.545 3.700 3.900 4.111 4.375 4.625 4.875 H165B RING & PINION SETS (TYPE II) The ring and pinion sets listed below will fit the HL510 (from 7/79) and 200SX/S10 (to 6/81) ... 3.364 3.545 3.700 3.900 4.111 4.375 4.625 4.875 DD any chance in directing us to where the 3.364 centre is from? USA or another country model Stanza and 200B? |
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Posted: 2011/1/30 2:09 Updated: 2011/1/30 2:20 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Yes, the 3.364 gearset is from the 1984 Nissan Competition catalog
* 38100-W8600 3.364 R&P SET
W86 is A10 stanza/510 is it not?
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Posted: 2011/1/30 2:31 Updated: 2011/1/30 2:31 |
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Re: H165 alloy carrier * 38300-W8700 FINAL DRIVE ASSY, 3.545 CANADA 0779-0680
* 38300-W8600 FINAL DRIVE ASSY, 3.364 CANADA 0780-
* 38300-W8600 FINAL DRIVE ASSY, 3.364 USA 0779-
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Posted: 2011/1/30 21:26 Updated: 2011/1/30 22:16 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier Quote:
* 38300-W8600 FINAL DRIVE ASSY, 3.364 CANADA 0780-
* 38300-W8600 FINAL DRIVE ASSY, 3.364 USA 0779-
Is there a website like ours for the US or Canadian stanza 510 in your neck of the woods? I really want to get a 3.364 R/P or ten! if someone is after the rare 4.8 it seems pitroad still has them! http://www.pitroad-ts.com/english/n-A-165.htm |
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Posted: 2011/1/31 8:30 Updated: 2011/1/31 8:30 |
Moderator Joined: 2001/5/3 From: 48 North Posts: 31599 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier I think the A10 is not that popular to have its own website. Anyways this 3.364 Ring & Pinion is not rare. Just have to find a car which is semi-rare. They had one in the wrecker's this summer. It's a good swap for a B310. Also had the stumpy transmission ...
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Posted: 2011/2/1 2:34 Updated: 2011/2/1 2:34 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2002/10/28 From: under the Firmament LOL no twiglight effect BS Posts: 10935 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier DD Ill be happy to pay you for your time and something on the
side for these units as they are rare here, so if you are willing
Ill be more than happy to pay for 2 of them plus your needs.
They are non existent here and would beat using a 5 speed when
the 4 speed will finally be better with a longer 1st gear behind
an a14 or a15.
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Posted: 2006/5/16 14:08 Updated: 2006/5/16 14:08 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster) Joined: 2004/7/15 From: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 3931 |
Re: H165 alloy carrier So they do exist!
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