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Poster: datsun_guy Date: 2006/1/3 21:18:15
what the hell is the differens detween a ute and a pick up show me the differents and if you actualy new something about this UTE it started in australia and then was marketed to america and did very well do yourr home work
Lets see if I have done my homework properly
The utility body style, as a separate design entity, was created by Holdens Ltd in 1924. This new design was first seen on Chevrolet & Dodge models as Holdens were the contract body builders for these & other makes of cars at the time.
Since the new body was based on the open car cowl & doors, it is correctly known as a 'roadster utility' & this design was to remain in production untill the start of the war in 1939.
So what is the significant feature that defines the ute? It is the one piece body from the rear of the door opening back to the rear of the body.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in the US, various car makers in the late teens were producing roadster models by substituting a bolt-on roadster turtledeck behind the front half of their touring car models. It must have seemed a simple matter to make & fit a 'well back' cargo-carying body to the back of these same touring bodies thereby producing a usefull commercial vehicle at little extra cost in tooling. These came to be known as pickups. Because they were open cars, they are correctly known as roadster pickups.
So what is the significant feature that defines the pickup? A pickup has a separate, removeable well-type 'pickup bed' that is bolted to the vehicle's chassis. It normally has no physical contact with the cab, so the cargo area is normally smaller than the equivalant ute model
Are you paying attention,.. there will be a short quizz at the end.
In 1934, as a result of a request from a Victorian farmer, Ford Australia decided to combine the rear portion of their 1933/34 roadster ute with the cab portion of their newly designed coupe body. This resulted in the first coupe utility & the popularity of this style steadily eroded into roadster ute sales untill the war brought new car manufacture to a halt. The roadster ute was not offered as a separate model when production resumed after the war.
The first American utes were the Chev El Camino of 1959 & the Ford Ranchero of 1957. The pickup, as based on a passenger chassis, seems to have faded from popularity fairly much by the war in '42 [for the US] & dedicated pickup trucks, based on light commercial [or truck] chassis have been the predominant type since the late 30's
From the mid 50's various designs of pickup beds were offered, & these are broken down into two basic groups, that being the traditional 'stepside' & the more stylish 'style side' although various trade names have been applied to this second group. The Datsun pickup in the picture belongs to this second group, & very stylish it is.
In Australia, both Dodge & International built utility bodies on their light truck chassis in the post war period & these were popular for a while, but have not been catalogued in the model lineup since the 60's
The pickup & the ute were two diferent solutions to the same problem that were developed on two separate continents at prety much the same time, but make no mistake, they are quite separate designs.
So lets finish up with this little fact.
A utility body can be built on a separate chassis, or as a mono constructed body
A pickup can be built only on a chassis.
Have I been able to show you the differens, oops, I mean difference between a ute & a pickup? Hell even blind Freddie can see that, but can you?
Did we market the utility design in America as you say? well, no, not really. The design was tentatively adopted by the Americans from 1957 onwards, some 33 years after they were invented, & remember, the Ford Freighter or F1 line of pickups, later to be called F100's were being sold here from about 1946, so it would be more accurate to say that the pickup was brought to Australia long before the ute went to the US.
The day you can presume to lecture me about US & Australian automotive design & history will be a long time coming, so I think that it should be you who does his homework before he opens his flapping yap about the diferences between utes & pickups.
While you are doing your homework, grab a dictionary & learn how to spell.
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